1918-S Buffalo nickel find

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  1. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    That has to be the coolest circulation find of the decade.
     
  4. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Thank you! In Europe no less. I’m pretty stoked!
     
  5. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I have to agree unless someone comes up with a challenge. The condition is awesome for this coin. We never found them that nice back in the early 50's when they were still very plentiful.
     
  6. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Very nice find, lucky you, congrats.
     
  7. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Quick check of PCGS Photograde, it appears to be approx. AU53-55, $390-510 value for respective grade at NM/FMV…so, yes, eminently qualified for conservation. If you are careful and know what you’re doing you can do some of that yourself.

    So you got it from circulation while in Europe? It’s okay to kiss and tell…tell us the story! Lovely snag, btw…imo…Spark
     
  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Beyond doing a boiling distilled water wash and acetone rinse, I wouldn't touch that pretty thing...
     
  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Yeah! I am with Spark on this one. I too wanna here the dirty details.
     
  10. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Terrific find!!!
     
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  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    It will clean up fine. Something is bothering me about the coin. It may be just a case of not having a sharp image.
     
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  12. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    I love clear ammonia for cleaning nickel or copper nickel and use it routinely...But soap and warm water with tamp dry to start with will be very safe.
     
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  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Brandon, nice find...there's one ddo known for the date. Your images makes it impossible to make any call on that variety. Check doubling on USOA as well the" dots " However thw 1918 s buffalo is typically found from weak to full or sharp strikes. However do exhibit flat details on the bison or center .
    From your images that are readable you can definitely see a strong sharp strike.. the major evidence is the buffalos eye on the obv. Seen plain as day behinde the long feather. There clashes that also can be seen under the nose, as well chin. The die crack running from the rim at 2k under the I down the nose and to the rim again from the lips. I find very typical on hammered buffalo specimens.
    However rim damage imho will detail the coin. There's one other red flag with the 18 s and thats coins that have gold to brown toning....artificial used to conceal evidence of friction and wear....as well cleaning.
    Unfortunately as others have remarked about the coins looks...its been cleaned and retoned ...imho

    Acetone, soak and a soft pick... will do wonders to remove most of the crud.the carbon spots are there to stay .but this will provide a nice xf + album coin. Which would be a pricy hole to fill even in a nice vf. Specimen.


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    Wanted to show you this a friend pulled from a estate sale . 20240325_104934.jpg 20240325_104945.jpg

    Didn't you collect these?
     
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  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I see no pitting, which leads me to believe the coin might be a strong candidate for successful conservation, but I wouldn’t trust myself to do it, no matter what others claim will work. I also do not think the coin has been cleaned / retoned. It looks perfectly natural to me, as if it had been liberated from an old accumulation and passed through very few hands before finding you.

    Just as I did a while back and you are doing now, I’d solicit and consider opinions from many before deciding whether and how to proceed.

    If it were my coin, I’d look for a way to put it in the hands of a seasoned conservator for a more reliable assessment. As you probably know, the results @Insider delivered to my coin exceeded my expectations.

    You have a very nice coin, as-is. Can it be made nicer? . . . Should it be?

    If you decide to proceed, please do so cautiously.
     
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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Although I don't see a "need" for it, nor do I see any real benefit to be gained, I don't foresee any problem with having it cleaned. But as already suggested, if you really want it done I'd recommend letting the pros do it.

    Me, I'd leave it alone.
     
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  16. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    For starters, I took new photos of the coin. The spot that has me most concerned is the green stuff below the N in UNITED. To me, the coin is much more the color of an old Buffalo nickel. I did not get the color right in the photos. Up close, I see no indication of cleaning.

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    I personally have it at XF40, possibly details grade for environmental damage. But I’m always conservative in my grading (so I think).

    So my secret is I deal in FOREX in bulk lots and I search my coins before depositing them. These photos represent going through about 1,800 coins. I have 15,000 nickels. These batches might just have been the “good ones,” but they’ve been pretty darn good so far. Up top left, I found a Liberty nickel. To its right is a 1913-D T2, partial date. The 6 top nickels are war nickels, and the stacks on the right are all 1938-1954, no silver.

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    You put coins in boiling water :coldfeet: I don’t know if I could do that!
    Haha, now you’ve heard them. :)
    Thank you! Very blessed.
    Do the new images help? I intend to have this professionally done. Might send it to ICG ;)
    I’m quite glad you chimed in. I forgot to tag you :bag: you do quite well with your conservation efforts.
    I will need to spend more time with the coin, but likely won’t have time until I roll all the coins I have on hand. That’s going to be a bit. In my opinion, the coin hasn’t been cleaned, it’s just poor imagery.

    I do collect German states coinage! But I blew my budget on some nice error coins and two India Princely States coins.

    Thank you for the sound advice. With the spots below the N in UNITED, I do not feel comfortable working on this coin myself. My comfort stops at pure acetone and distilled water.
    I think the better photos highlight the spot below the N in UNITED that has me worried. Aside from that, I love the coin at XF. I plan to leave this to professionals.
     
  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Better images. Coin looks Ok and most of the dark spots look like dirt that will come off easily.
     
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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Amazing find!
     
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  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I wouldn't worry about it, appears to be nothing more than a spot of verdigris which is well known to occur on coins other than cents from time to time. It can be safely removed easily enough. And if stored properly, it won't change any.
     
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  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    They only scream for a little while :) Seriously, I can't really think why coins would be hurt by boiling water. I mean I wouldn't boil them for hours, but a couple of minutes would remove soluble materials. BTW, for a single coin, you can put it in a glass or cup with the water and microwave it...two or more coins will spark!
     
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  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Once again, I want to try putting a coin into a Soxhlet extractor and just let it get washed by near-boiling freshly-distilled water again and again and again...
     
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