Most important factor for IDEAL TPGS?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Insider, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Really? Why would that work? I have a paleo-account with ICG, which was 2 or 3 owners back, but SEGS? Why?
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Maybe the NGC guys and girls like me just fine because I arrive at their table with all my coins fully ready, in the right kind of flips, labelled with the invoice number and line number, and the form fully and accurately filled out IN ADVANCE. You'd be amazed how much favorable "juice" you can get just by not wasting other peoples' time.
     
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  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    That is an absolute LIE. Shame on you @Cascade! You need to keep your UNINFORMED BIAS to yourself. Very disappointed in your post and hope it does not derail this thread.

    The next thread I post is going to be a poll to rate the qualities of an ideal TPGS as to customer service, speed, accuracy, cost, attractiveness of holder, market perception, etc. in order of importance.

    NOTICE THAT NO TPGS IS MENTIONED IN MY OP QUESTION.

     
  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Did you read the OP. I AGREE w/you. SPEED of return, yet some people are arguing that it is not important. Your answer (speed counts) was perfect! :happy: Thank You!
     
  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Some people (I'll include myself) just like to sling mud every once and a while...:smuggrin:.
     
  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    For MOST people, and I'll stipulate that I'm the unusual one out where the bell curve gets skinny on this one, how could speed NOT be important? For people who sell, time is money, at least until we get huge negative interest rates.
     
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  8. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Man I've posted some pretty stupid stuff before but damn Insider you make me look like a genius.
     
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  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    BTW, I WOULD use my ICG account for exonumia NGC doesn't do, but the last time I needed that service, I piggybacked on a fellow club member's ICG order.
     
  10. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    This thread was derailed long before cascade commented
     
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  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Absolutely!

    Years ago, before NGC changed their policy limiting office submissions to just dealers, I used to take advantage of this since I was a little more than one hour south of the old Sarasota office.

    My very first submission was 50+ coins which included my 2001-D Kennedy missing the reverse clad layer.

    2001-D 50c REV Slab.jpg

    On the day I was scheduled to take delivery of my submission, I noticed that this Kennedy was missing. I informed the CS Rep (Lisa, I think), and she excused herself from the waiting room to look for it. About 30 minutes went by when she returned to inform me that they were having trouble locating it.

    She then told me that other members of the staff (including graders) were scouring the entire building. After another 30 minutes or so, Lisa returned with a look of relief on her face. She explained that the coin was in the vault the entire time. It's just that no one was searching for a copper-colored Kennedy half dollar.

    Now, you must realize that I am not a big-time dealer. I'm just an average "schmo" collector, and for a company as prominent as NGC to go the extra mile for me really means something to me.

    Chris
     
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  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    No! I don't even know how you came to that conclusion.

    Chris
     
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  13. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Come on Chris. You know insider just as well as anybody. Maybe it's a bit of a stretch as being the sole purpose but there is truth in it.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The reason, the ONLY reason, I mentioned it is because all slabs are not the same, have never been the same. There have been slabs from the top 4 TPGs that come apart when dropped, some even came apart in people's hands. Some slabs allow you to view the edge of the coin, others do not. Things like this matter, things like this are important to people, or at least some people.

    Therefore I thought it was an important consideration. You established the parameters, you asked the question - I merely answer it.

    So now, why don't you tell us what the PNG dealers are arguing is a more important consideration in your scenario.
     
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  15. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Don't forget to include in your poll:

    How they dress.

    Ratio of men to women in the office.

    Number of employees who drive cars 5 years old and older.

    Which day of the week the trash is collected.

    Chris;);)
     
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I disagree with that 100%.
     
  17. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I don't know any more about @Insider than anyone else, but that has nothing to do with it. I'd really like to know (from the information posted here) how you could conclude that this thread was about ICG/SEGS.

    Chris
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I do. And he may be a lot of things, but THAT, that he is not !
     
  19. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Honestly, the look of the holder is a biggie for me when choosing between ngc, pcgs, and anacs. Anacs holders are just UGLY, so I do not use them unless I am wanting to authenticate something rare for cheap.
     
  20. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    This funny! The old "In the vault all the time story."

    Funny, the way I understand the TPGS operations, all coins in an order are kept together MOST of the time except for unusual cases, such as one coin being sent out to a consultant or sent over for a quick conservation job.

    NGC did what EVERY TPGS would do. First Panic. :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: Then find your coin. Then explain what happened. If I were there we would have tossed in some free future submissions for your time too!

    Here is a story once told at an ANA Summer Seminar: One time at EDIT grading service a colonial coin went missing from an order. If I remember it was something like a brown AU Kentucky Token. The claim was paid when the coin could not be found. A year later, the coin was found leaning upright next to the molding under the desk!
     
  21. RomanTheRussian

    RomanTheRussian Well-Known Member

    My personal factors of importance:

    1. Long term storage (air tight, inert materials used)
    2. Consistency of grade assigned (while all services grade to a standard in theory, the standard may differ between companies. as long as the consistency is there, I can work with a different standard)
    3. Added or subtracted market value (while I have no plans of selling in the near future, I know that at some point my collection will be sold and I want to make sure I knowingly don't decrease the value of it by selecting the "wrong" TPG)
    4. Looks (while I hate a lot of things about PCGS, I like the looks of their holders the best)
    5. Business operations (cost, turnaround times, customer service)

    I'm sure everyone's list will be different.
     
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