1983 DDR new stage?

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  1. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Hey guys I need help with this. It looks like there is some spread on the C of cent and some spread on E Pluribus also there is a die crack running through the T in trust going west through Lincolns skull on obverse. There doesn't appear to much doubling anywhere else and I don't see this on variety vista so maybe it's just tired eyes seeing things after a very long work week. 19831.jpg 19832.jpg 19833.jpg 19834.jpg 19835.jpg 19836.jpg 19837.jpg 19838.jpg 19839.jpg
     
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  3. The Half Dime

    The Half Dime Arrows!

    If anything, it's machine doubling. Machine doubling is simply too common on coins, but I will quote that this coin is in awesome condition. If you have a Lincoln cent book, this is definitely one to save.

    Doubled die coins are often quite dramatic, like the 1969-S or the 1995. You could very well get a 1995 in your change, as they're seemingly the most affordable double die coins. ;)
     
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  4. eric6794

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  5. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Hi Eric - not a DDR. Have a look at the dots in EPU. They are not elongated. As such, not a DDR.

    A slightly more focused photo would bear that out I think but you have it there in hand.
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I think it’s just the beginning of a worn die.
     
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  7. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    I agree. Besides, if it were on the C then it should be on some of the adjacent letters too AND there should be a match to be found at Wexler or VV, but it isn’t there…imo…Spark
     
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  8. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Does anyone else see some slight notching on the bottom left of the P, L, and S in PLURIBUS?
     
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  9. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    …needs a better close-up with better lighting before I can assess…Spark
     
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  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am not seeing a Doubled Die Eric. Often when you see the split looking lines on top of the devices it is a form of split plating. The copper stretches too much from the strike and leaves a doubling look on the devices. If there was a DD then the devices would show some extra thickness, and I don't see any.
    Nice clean coin by the way!
     
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  11. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a DD when it's minor. One day I'm going to invest in a stereoscope to help.
     
  12. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    I'll see what I can do
     
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  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Doubled dies don't have "stages," these don't evolve. When they're doubled, that's the end of it.

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  14. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Um I'm pretty sure they have different die stages
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    All dies have different stages of development. There's circulation wear to consider as well. Doubled dies don't evolve, however, like, e.g., die cracks. There aren't stages of development for doubled dies. When I heard "DDR new stage," that's what I took you as suggesting, that's all.
     
  16. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Good point. I read right through it. Doubling will 'evolve' only to the extent that the die evolves...or devolves. Of course, the variety sites may or may not have certain die stage examples to share, where markers may differ and be useful in pinpointing.
    For example, Coppercoins is not as complete in this regard as Doubleddies and Variety Vista. But personally, I prefer using Coppercoins first because their descriptions/photos are better and page format more informative/desirable.
     
  17. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    The appearance of the doubling / spread actually does often change with die evolution. This is an effect of the die's wear and change, not that of the doubling itself, but the doubling can appear different at different points in the die's lifetime.
     
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  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Well but so does every device on the coin, right? So really that's not full of news.
     
  19. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Of course, but can you really look at design relief and reliably tell what die stage it is? It is more obvious at extremes (very fresh dies or very worn dies). For at least some classes of doubled dies the distinction is more clear. Personally, I am not too interested in distinguishing the die stage of any doubled die I find honestly unless it exhibits neat die breaks or something similar.
     
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