Proof or Business Strike?

What? If you're joking you can go on CoinFacts or HA and look at the Reverse of Accented Hair Halves. They all had the same reverse. This doesn't even matter anymore lol

 

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I didn't pay any premium and it was a lady selling mainly art that she ran across in auctions. It was a very fair price compared to any other set I could have bought. For probably the 10th time now..this was a question of Proof or MS. Not SMS. Not even Gem for that matter. They're nice and I would like to have them slabbed if they are MS because of their appeal to me and only me. It's not even resale value I'm concerned with as much as preservation so they don't turn black when my son gets them years down the road. And since there has even been a question on if they were proof or ms, I'm going to yes, waste the money to help out the graders for Christmas time. Thanks for your input but I can clearly see you won't go to bed satisfied until I say that you are right. Everybody else is wrong and nobody's opinion but yours matters enough for consideration. It's guys like you who prevent people from even caring about coins because that attitude of being the only guy that knows anything is super irritating. A simple grade is well known to depend on the grader at times, even in the same day on the same coin, yet you are the ultimate coin guru sir. Thanks for the enlightenment.

 

The reason this is a 40+ comment debate is opinions are extremely common and all of us make them - sooner or later.

It is sites like this and well-regarded members that help less informed people like myself SAVE GRADING FEES and become more educated about coins.

Let us know how they grade! The nickel MAY be a proof. I'll bet you get grades between 64 and 67 on the different coins.

 

The point to it becoming a debate is that it should have been relatively easy for unanimous decision from seasoned professionals but it was a debate. When a description of a coin set says "not quite proofs, yet not a regular business strike either, these coins are somewhere in between...", I don't consider it a complete waste of money to find out. Worst case.. I'm an honest guy and wouldn't mind telling you if you're right but I don't know what you know about SMS. I assume it can't be much because the TPG Grading them as such states that any "fact" surrounding them is pure speculation. I honestly appreciate the help but I've made up my mind to spend the money for my answer finally and without specific reasons as to why it's 100% impossible, I'm not going to change it. Like you said, everyone has an opinion.

 

My assumption is honestly that there are many more out there based on the amount of "Mint Sets" Ive seen being sold with only the single pack of ONLY 5 coins with no mint mark. Or am I unaware of something extremely special with the Denver 1964's that people keep them and sell the Philly set by itself? I've come across both and at least 50% of the time it's only the 5 coins in Mint Set Envelopes.

 

When PCGS first sold them, it was also said that they "had fingerprints and bag marks so they were clearly not handled like proofs" and after prices went crazy they all the sudden only made a total of 50 sets tops and they were clearly presentation pieces handled with extreme care? IDK I think it's a lost cause. Maybe I'll just pay the lowest price to ANACS and give up considering I plan to keep them and they look great to me lol.

 

More developments into the story behind the SMS coins since it became the subject. This is all stated on HA in the description for the Half Dollar that sold this month. Not saying these are it but figured I would share my latest find..

 

Keep going! You got quite a long way to go before you depart "rareness" and get into the "common-ness" of the trillions of coins struck.

 

lol Ohhhh he said TRILLIONS! The gloves are off I'm officially unsubscribing to my own post before you guys go at it all day.

 

Aw, c'mon! If we didn't try to stir up a little bit of controversy here and there, we'd end up being forced to look at PMD pennies all day long.

Chris

 

haha ya don't take me back to when I started looking for Lincoln Errors! New to coins? Don't bother with Errors cuz you're gonna have a bad time

 

Aftermarket set put together by a non-mint third party. I see them in all forms, even in the little sleeves like the pre'55 proof sets, stapled together and labeled "US Mint Set" even though they aren't.

 

Judging from your name I assume you know this but have you read the newest discovery of the SMS Coins being originally auctioned just like that? I posted it up in my last attachments but if they were put together in such a way, it makes me all the more curious. Also, how is it so obvious that these came from a variety of sets over a simple Philly mint set that was always packaged together? I have seen several, still sealed in cello sets with their envelope where it was only 1 set that still just said US Mint Set on it like any other year. We're the Denver coins important enough that I would find 8 or so separate sellers with only the Philly set?

 

I will not!

Provable FACT: An infinite number of COMMON and RARE coins can be identified as to their variety using the diagnostics found on one side of the coin. One time I had the pleasure of viewing two file cabinets full of coin diagnostics such that the die cracks on a shield nickel reverse would identify the particular Fletcher DDO.
Welcome to the modern age of coin attribution my friend.

Put your thinking cap on and see if you can figure out the reason for the debate.
IMHO you can count the number of seasoned professionals replying here on ONE HAND! BTW, just because someone who has been collecting/dealing in coins for decades is BOTH seasoned or professional does not indicate they know squat. You'll learn this when your beautifully toned common coins in a put together set are returned in slabs.

 

Do you ever think maybe you're blocked by whatever"ex-pert" you joked about and probably others gas to do with you coming off as a schmuck and not because you know more? You're really the only one that's been a complete tool in this thread and I kinda hate you to be honest..

 

Do you prefer them mild, medium, hot or nuclear?

Chris

 

Well said! Color me a d***.

Several seasoned professionals here (the ones on that hand ), much more knowledgeable than I, have lead you to the water and tried to save you some money, you choose not to drink it. That's OK.

 

Well, you're on that hand Mr. Seasoned Professional. Which one fits you?

 

Also..how much more can you contradict your own opinion on my coins. You had said you rely on this forum to help people like yourself save money on grading fees, then tell me I'm basically a jackass** for paying extra in hopes of nothing more than to prove you wrong now, then go on to speak more nonsense with your last post. Ridiculous.

 

If it was a special strike set, but it ain,t. Looks like a 64-p mint set in a whitman mint set holder.