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  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    *edit*

    camels rock!!
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2016
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  3. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I didn't give a thought either, whether it was a left or right facing bust, that camel is just to die for.
     
  4. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, another Bostran issue. I was going to post one of these to show they knew what a dromedary camel looked like, and were intentionally depicting a bactrian camel instead on my coin.
     
  5. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I need it! I'm sorry I wish I could say more.
     
  6. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Thanks, medoraman, for the OP story.
    My coin has Trajan facing right.
    Trajan (98-117 AD), AR 19, 3.33 grams. Struck c. 113-114 at Bostra, Arabia (southernmost Syria, very near Jordan).
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    Greek legend (below).
    Sear Greek Imperial --. SNG ANS VI 158. SNG von Aulock III 6408. William Metcalf "Tell Kalak Hoard" ANSMN 20 (1975) page 88, plate XIV.18.

    AVTOKP KAIC NEP TRAIAN APICTW CEB ΓERM ΔAK
    Autokrater Kaiser Nerva Trajan Optimo Augustus Gemanicus Dacicus
    Imperator Caesar

    ΔHMAPX EΞ YΠATOC
    Tribunicia Potestas Consul
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Simply fantastic coin sir. I love your obverse more than mine.

    Btw @Ancientnoob, yeah, its a coin, (in my mind), many collections "need". I needed it for my Nabatean collection, I needed it for my camel collection, and after pondering the significance, I needed it for my Sogdian collection. Its a coin like the RR camel someone else posted. I needed that coin for my Nabatean collection, (it lists Aretas), for my camel collection, and for my Impetorial collection. The cool thing about that coin, (thanks to @dougsmit for telling me), is it was the first time someone showed themselves on a RR coin. JC did the same a few years later and got whacked for it.

    Its just one of those weird coins that tie ancient history together from many angles. I love coins like this.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I believe the correct situation here was the moneyer was honoring something he himself had done rather than the accomplishment of an ancestor. The moneyer is not shown on the coin but just Aretas surrendering to him. Moneyer was a low rank on the Cursus Honorum so most young men did not have a lot of accomplishments anyway but honoring something a distant ancestor did for Rome brought honor to your whole family without making it look like you were a jerk.
     
  9. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    That is a very cool coin, thanks for sharing! Here's another camel coin that hasn't been posted yet, a Parthian bronze of Orodes II (57- 38 BC) featuring a kneeling Bactrian camel:

    Orodes II.jpg
     
  10. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A great post and nice addition!

    trjd3.jpg
     
  11. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Just as a follow up. It arrived yesterday in good shape from Germany. Seems like export paperwork taking a long time, but coins being delivered.
     
  12. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Happy to hear that!
     
  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Cha-ching ... congrats medoraman (it's a great camel-coin)

    I'm happy to hear that it found its way home

     
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  14. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Really happy to hear it finally arrived!!

    It's kind of funny that you posted today since I just received one of two 'camel types' I was after. One is still at auction (RR denarius) and this Trajan drachm was inspired by your initial OP and the posting of all the examples above. I lost one of this type and then stubbornly went after this particular example. It seems it was struck at Caesarea, Cappodocia---a scrawny camel that looks like 'Wile E Coyote' LOL:


    trajan camel.jpg
     
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  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    @Mikey Zee, William Metcalf in his article "Tell Kalak Hoard" ANSMN 20 (1975) attributes it to a mint in Arabia, possibly Bostra. He considers the previous hypothesis they were minted at Caesarea in Cappadocia, and says "But the hoard evidence conclusively shows that the Arabia and camels drachms can have been minted at Caesarea only if it is argued they were immediately shipped for circulation elsewhere. That argument has been suggested in the past, but can now be proved wrong."[p.95] ... evidence of provenance an overstrikes conclusively indicates a mint site in Arabia, and it hardly need be said that this conclusion is supported by typology." ... "To sum up ...the context of drachms with Arabia and camel reverse is completely different from that of other types associated with Caesarea Cappadoicia. Overstriking of some of these coins on coins of the Nabatean kings indicates they were instead produced in Arabia, and this conclusion is confirmed by their types. ... It may have been located in Bostra, but certainty is impossible."
     
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  16. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Thanks for the clarification @Valentinian!!!

    It did seem a bit odd that the seller had it listed as struck somewhere other than Bostra, Arabia.
     
  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    TRAJAN:
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    RI Trajan CE 98-117 AR drachm Struck CE 114-116 Arabia Petraea Bostra - Camel SNG ANS 1158

    Is mine the same as @Mikey Zee 's?
     
  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nice camels, gang
     
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