Some help with an English Crown

I am trying to find the correct weight for a William III Crown. Krause was no help. Numista has the Anne Crown at 28.62g and the George I and George II at 30.1g. Any help would be appriciated.

 

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39 mm 29.039 g

 

Thanks Mat, I just recieved one and the weight is 29.5g and diameter is 38.7mm. it passes the ring test and the magnet test. the weight was bothersome for me.

 

Sounds about right for the type.

 

Please post some pictures when you can. I have several early milled crowns but I'm missing one from William.

 

jgenn here it is. arrived today.

 

Any idea what this might grade?

 

I'd call it VG or average circulated for the issue.

 

Never seen a crown that old. Very nice. I'd say it's a Fine 12

 

Vg10 probably right. Is that an American vg10? As for circ cams, I agree. I like them. I'd take them any day over a better detailed but cleaned coin

 

There is a quite a variety in sizes and weights in the William III crown. Here are 3 from my collection - the first 1695 measures 42mm, the second 39mm and the 1696 40mm. weights are 29.2, 30.0 and 29.6 gms respectively. Some of it is down to wear, some to inaccuracy of original mintage.
The diameter 1695 is a recognised variation.

 

I would guess the grade at F12 - F15. The TPGs tend to recognize weak areas due to strike versus wear from these pre-steam powered presses and grade accordingly. Here's my oldest milled crown, a VF20 for comparison.

 

Thanks, LordM. Nice to see you over here.

I meant to say "Here's my oldest English/Commonwealth milled crown". I have other milled world crowns that are older.

 

On the 1696 William III crown, I'd say a strong fine. I've seen worse & this one has decent detail and lettering. Also these pieces didn't have the raised rims you see on pieces after 1800. My guess is a fine 15 although this is a lot harder to predict than the 20th century MS stuff you often see submitted.

When I was younger I tried to buy one of these but ended up sending it back to England as it was really worn; it was a Charles II crown tho.

 

Need help please. How can I comment on the grade a specific coin from a photo (like others in this thread have) when I have never seen one before?

Also, that coin seems to match all the written descriptions I can find for a high VG and NOT a Fine because in spite of the weakness, it does not have the sharpness of a Fine! It's too bad Coins of England & UK by Spink does not have a guide to grading in its pages.

 

Ah but it does. For milled coins in my 2011 edition it is on pages 323 to 325. If that doesn't match yours, look in the middle of the Charles II lists at the end of the Hammered coins and just before the first of the milled coins. (Don't blame me for where they put it! )

 

Thanks, I found it in the same edittion. IMHO, this is the worst description of grading standards that has EVER BEEN put into print. Thankfully there are some photos.

I'll go with VG.