I can't believe.......

Under 12k in the PCGS population so not exactly a huge sample size by any means for how many were made.

This. In the 90s the graded ASEs were no where near as popular as now. PCGS pop reports show they have graded about 2.2 million ASEs and the 1990s combined have seen about 100k graded max. Those coins were in the wild for sometime before being submitted and very likely were never made to the standard they are now anyway

 

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How many 70's do you think came out of one of the "Green Monsters"? Next to none would be my guess!

Chris

 

Probably not many at all after a decade or two of getting tossed around or stackers counting them and playing with them.

I agree with you, I don't think most of them would have been 70s right off the line much less after 15 or so years of people doing who knows what with them. MS 68s are fairly common in their population report and now you almost have to try to find a 68 to get that grade.

 

I sincerely hope that's the case! I bought 10 when they were new, and they're never going to see a TPGS.

 

It is. Not even close to 1 percent have been sent in.

I'm not sure if they did release a statement or not, but 2008 had a worse percentage of 70s from their population report. 2007 has 20,374 69s and 1,421 70s while 2008 has 305,367 69s and only 12,634 70s. 2009 saw and increase but it wasn't until 2010 we saw the percentages we have become used to today.

The only modern commemorative in the silver dollars that has a number that approches that is the 2014 baseball. That is the only one with over 50 percent 70s and most of the others as well well under 50 for MS coins. None of the half dollars are even closer to 50 percent from their online pop reports for the MS. For the dollars and half dollars the baseball ones are really the only ones over the 50 percent mark for the whole series. Even the modern proof golds are all under 50 percent and most well under besides the baseball one.

I'm not sure what coin world was reporting on or if they just went off some early numbers that have changed but their online population report for the commemorative series isn't supporting that claim

 

According to the PCGS Population Report, they have, in fact, graded one 1996 as MS70. The same number of examples as they've certified from 1990, 1992 and 1993. They gave the grade to two 1994's, four 1991's and five 1999's. Looked at in context, I don't see much of an anomaly here.

 

thats a great point as well, they do have strict policies regarding this.

 

I gess that MS69 and MS70 coins are so close together, that oftentimes reprieved ms70s have minor hairlines that are only view able at specific angles, making it a 69

 

Well that just goes to show what happens when people try and force data into the conclusions they want because their populations reports don't support it at all

 

I don't know if they're the same as "milk spots" generally, because they don't look the same, but I have seen LOTS of 1996 ASE's with brownish "water stains" on them.

 

Stains ans spots are detracting no matter the cause and lower a grade. That's why TPGS don't guarantee copper or SE anymore. In which case they can assign any grade they wish with no repercussions.

 

I do own three slabbed ASE's (gifts), but I've never sent one in for grading or even bought one, so I'm afraid I have no "skin in the game". I do like the irony of the story, though. The idea of having a bullion coin graded is not something I'd be into.

 

It's an absolute waste of time and money, but how others choose to throw there's away is none of my concern.......I do own one slabbed example, but I won that off of Teletrade for points accumulated. Got a Red book too........

 

The world seems loaded with ones used as promotions of one kind or another, and I don't know if you find that informative, but I do.

 

woah......

 

I'd suspect that part of the reason 70s are appearing more is due to higher standards or better technology at the mint. Furthermore, these 70s coins are from recent decades and have had less time to get banged around or toned harshly. I'm sure 70s are more common with later issues. I think this was implied in another post. One might interpret the increase in 70s as being more accurate grading standards being achieved than leniency. Perfection can be and is achieved in minting coins, and I'd think it's normal to see plenty of these grades out there, especially because many (not me) pay dearly for these condition rarities. This is also an incentive to grade more candidates

 

I'd be interested to see a test where 10 of these MS70 ASEs had their labels covered and have PCGS graders sit down and pick out the 2 MS69s out of the pile, even though there were none. In theory, they all should be able to tell you there isn't a MS69 in the group.