Guess the Variety & URS ?

Tonight let change things up.....you can guess the grade or what you believe it would grade but it's raw ....but first guess the variety and rarity ? A little hint it's Rare vary rare!

On a personal note I like to thank Alan @ coinzip for his assistants on landing this one. Those of you who know Alan will tell you how much he does to support this hobby. Those of you who don't know him you need to make it a point to get to know him. Thanks again Alan
1829 U.S. H-10 what say ye?

I will post some other images later on ....these are the images that I knew I had cherrypicked a winner .

 

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From the images I think it's LM18 variety. I'd grade her XF45 and that's probably harsh. Very nice coin.

 

Paddy, with those pics,(sellers) I have a feeling you and maybe 6 other ppl on the planet would've picked up on it.
Now, once you post new images alot of members, (me included) will be able to pick up what you are laying down. Ya dig?
I'm at XF btw

 

Does this help Heavy?

 

Yes, now, it actually does....
I won't reveal the answer though ,
Just checked my Breen Encyclopedia-
According to it, most business strikes of this date (1st year of issue BTW) were actually coined from 1831-1835
AND an 1829 H/10 was inserted into the cornerstone of the SECOND US Mint

 

Actually this one there's only 6-8 known! According to the CPG the 1829 3/9 is extremely rare to the point there's no value placed on the variety. They go on to say that the values they place on this variety is between 150-300 % over the same date and condition of the non variety .
I believe that this coin falls in the URS ratings as an 2/possibly 3 now depending on how many have been reported and grated by TPG's.
If this coin should straight grade in xf and the value is in the $200 range for the non variety 1829 H-10, in xf, that would put this coins value in the thousands .
Alan said as he has the coin in hand that the sellers images doesn't do the coin justice . He thinks the coin will grade and is in xf condition . Again many thanks to Alan for making the purchase since I am on the road this week .

 

@Treashunt @okbustchaser

 

At the risk of being labeled a party pooper, I think this is actually LM-3, (V-2) not the extremely rare LM-6 (V-17). Note the high base of T2 on the reverse as well as the way E2 lines up with the center of the S in the scroll. On LM-6 T-2 is in line with A1 and E2 while S2 is centered over the S in the scroll. I'd love to see it in hand, though.

Edit to add...the LM-17 that MKent mentioned used the same obverse die, but a different reverse than used on this coin.

 

You called?

eh, could be.

 

It absolutely can't be LM-18 or LM-6. The red stripes in the shield are made up of three stripes. On LM-18 and LM-6 they only have 2. (Also on LM-18 MERI all touch at the bases. That isn't the case here either.) There are only three reverse dies that year with the triple lines in the red stripes, A, B, and C. On A (LM-1) the S in PLURIBUS is directly below S2. No match. On C (LM-2) they are off-set (check) and the M is above E at the base in AMERICA. No match. On B (LM-3) the S's are off-set and CA touch. MATCH! On this obv the ball on the 9 is doubled which also matches. LM-3 an R-2 coin (Sheldon scale)

 

DREAM CRUSHING BA$T#&!$

 

I know you meant that is a GOOD way.

 

Yes, solid info is KING. As is education. But I hate to see such a huge disappointment for ole Paddy.

 

Ever wanted to attribute a Bust Half Dime and didn't know where to start? Here's where to start:

http://www.everythinghalfdimes.com/

 

Yea it's a great site that I've been using for about 18 months! However since I was on the road and asked Alan to pull the trigger on this specimen this is the reference I was using.

This is the CPG 4th ed. Vol. II page 2 Since I do not have the coin in hand I can only go on seller images and the reference of the cpg.

 

Well, this just goes to show,.you win some, you lose some, but you still live to fight another day....
Something tells me, Paddy might be down, but not out 4 the count yet. There is still SOMETHING going on with that date...

 

The picture of the date shown in the CPG picture that Paddy posted matches the image of LM-3 in Federal Half Dimes 1792 - 1837. The image in Federal shows that same "ridge" feature along the back edge of the 9. and the positional relationship tot he denticals appears to be the same.

If you pull up obverse 3 (Used on LM-3 and LM-4 in 1829) on the everything half dimes web site and blow it up you will also see the ridge on the back of the 9 there as well.

I think the CPG blew it on this one.

 

If any one of us is ever going to find a LM-18... my money is on @Paddy54 .

 

Correct and at the website on the die marriages it doesn't list any varieties as the cpg does or varieties that TPG list as those they will attribute on a slab.
I do need to up date my cpg, does anyone have the newest CPG I believe that was released last year with the information on this half dime.
Alan said to me when he received the coin that it was spot on to the listing in the cpg. I knew it would be as it was a perfect match.
I also knew that something was a miss as I was in my hotel room and matching up the obv, and rev, to the 3 LM.
An R 2 coin. My reference was as stated above the 9/3 over date on the 1829 H-10.
So what about the 1835's with the 4 different 5 & C 's combination as well as the 1836 the same,and the 1834 over inverted 3? Where is the correct information giving both R and Dollar values?

 

Often (nearly always) one is better served by consulting a specialty text (or site) on a particular series rather than an omnibus such as the CPG. For example, yes, the 1834 3 over inverted 3 half dime does exist. It occurs on two separate die marriages for the year...LM-1 and LM-3. Both die marriages are common and carry no premium to speak of.

As for all the different large and small date/C combos for 1835, none of the combinations are at all rare.

One DM--the fairly recently discovered LM-12--is extremely rare with only 3 known examples so far. It happens to be a "Small date, Large 5" combination, but even this combo also occurs on the LM-8 die marriage which is only an R-2.

It wouldn't hurt to keep an eye out for the LM-12, though...