2015 SARATOGA CHIP

2015 Saratoga p chip on hand guard.

 

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That is indeed a small chip, but it's very, very small. It wouldn't add any sort of premium to the coin.

 

Totally agree, what it's worth is not really a concern. But thanks for your reply. I just thought members would like to see some of the error coming out on the SARATOGA.

 

Yeah, after you've looked at tens of thousands of different coins, you're likely to see all sorts of oddities.

Personally, I prefer Hawaiian Chips, myself. The Saratoga Chips are much too hard.

Chris

 

Thank you.

 

Bigger is better.

 

Okay Seattite86 do you think this chip would add a little more value.

 

At least the coin in thread 7 is interesting because the chip there seems to have the sword guard attached to the finger.

 

All little ones grow into bigger ones.

 

Here's a new one today.

 

Are you suggesting that both of these came from the same die? You'd need to prove that by finding a marker, preferably something like a scratch or gouge, that is the same on the reverse of both coins.

Chris

 

No I am not suggesting that at all, the only one I'd actually believe in determining that would be the employees at the mint that produced each coin. Since they are in charge of replacing defective dies with the new working dies.And even then they cannot be sure which die produced which coin since there so many coins produced in an hour. I know there are professionals out there Chris that have made it their life's study to determine which dies cause which errors. And even yourself had mention sometimes how does a person determine which die cause which error. The only way we could actually say positively that a die cause this particular error. Is to have someone sitting at the been inspecting coins that come out of the press. That individual would be able to say definitely which die cause which error. But since that does not happen we have to rely on the expertise of professionals. I only meant that one little chip can grow into a bigger chip.

 

No, you don't need some employee inspecting every coin as they come out of the coining chamber. A marker (PUP) on the coin will do just fine. If some collector can match a PUP from one coin to another, they will be able to match both to the same die.

Chris

 

Okay Chris sent you really want to discuss this. Say die a had a Pacific set of markers. What about die B has those same Pacific markers plus one additional markers. You're basically telling me that cannot happen. Sorry Chris but I've grown up knowing to expect the unexpected because it can happen. And I may be totally wrong. But my recent submission to Wexler in a way proves just what I'm saying. I can only speak for myself but Wexler's knowledge of dies far out exceeds my knowledge. And I believe yours. And if you really want to get into this discussion, we Ought to start referring to the homestead doubled dies. That is one big smorgasbord of which die did what. On that particular coinage run I personally believe the mint had a bad batch of steel or something went wrong in the die making process. That resulted in so many errors being produced. And the lack of quality control by the inspectors. Or they purposely let so many of these errors go out into the public. To keep from having to make additional homestead dies. I do not know because I am not there. Chris I totally agree with you on your (PUP) that is the norm. But not necessarily the case in all.

 

You're talking apples & oranges, and it sounds to me that you don't understand how we must differentiate between the two. For that reason, I will leave you to your erroneous concept. If you don't want to learn, I can't help you.

Chris

 

Chris where not talking apples and oranges we're talking steel. If you recall many many moons ago this conversation was brought up. And yes I will give you and the other members credit for your book knowledge. But when it comes to working hands-on with this kind of steel. And what it's capable of doing under high speed and heat and pressure you especially Chris do not have a clue. And if I knew you spent your career working with this kind of metal. I would invite you out and buy you a beer just so we could talk metal stories. And Chris personally you would be the last person I would ask for advice on hardened steel. Because clearly you only know what you have read in a book or seen on YouTube are what ever. You have never worked with this kind of metal on a daily basis for over 20 years. So I suggest we stop this conversation that you brought up.USMC60

 

You can lead a horse to water...............!

Chris

 

But a donkey still a donkey.

 

I knew you'd get around to slipping up and mentioning that you think they are worth something. Ever since you joined here you've been denying it. You just didn't want to admit it.

Attention folks! These tiny little die chips aren't worth anything over face value. That's what he pays for them, but he doesn't want you to know that.

Now, we'll have to wait a few days to give him time to think up a good retort.

Chris