Victorinus, Keep it or not? Overstrike or not?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by dougsmit, Aug 26, 2016.

  1. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I seem o have a problem going to shows and seeing a coin I like only to make a mistake on what I already had. This causes duplicates. The last show I attended provided me with the first coin below but when I got home I saw I had the second. I have another show tomorrow. Do I take it and try for a trade or keep both? I decided I did not need both and that I liked the old one better so I got out the new one to take with me to a local sho tomorrow to see what I could do. That is when second thoughts set in. I saw a bit of die clash on the reverse but I started trying to imagine the coin might be overstruck on an earlier coin. Certainly it had a hard strike with some extra details but I have been unable to identify any certain undertype and an overstrike without recognizing the undertype is not much of a special coin. So what do you see here? Is this first coin worth keeping? Do you see an overstrike or just a clash? I'll carry it to the show tomorrow and see if it follows me home again.
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    Victorinus 269-271 AD AE antoninianus / SALVS AVG Salus right holding snake

    For comparison, my other one is below.
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    I would submit that second baby into the other recent Vic-thread (I like the older one better)

    => either way, good luck at the show, tomorrow

    :rolleyes:
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Keep 'em both! It's hard to trade your kids away.
     
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I don't see anything on the reverse but would keep coin one too. I love that it has a hard strike, plenty of well-defined beading, and even the irregular flan.
     
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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    As much as I like die clashes, I wouldn't keep the top one. It isn't pronounced enough for me. As for it maybe being a over strick, hard to tell. Can see some border near the edge of the flan but maybe it's a die shift?

    Portrait I like more then the bottom one.
     
  7. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    It's so crude looking that I'd keep it!
     
  8. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    I also prefer the older one. The new one is good too, just a bit weaker in details on the reverse.
     
  9. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    I'd keep it. I will have an overstrike I got about 3 or 4 months ago, I'm still trying to figure out what the OS is.
     
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  10. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Keep the old if you have to pick one, but I like em both too.
     
  11. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Let us know if you keep both. I like the irregular flan with all features on the coin.
    I do not see features on the reverse of coin one that help me ID the under coin. If I had to guess, I would say double strike because of the traces of features near the border on the under coin near where features are near the border on the top coin.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The show was a bust. No ancient dealers showed up. It goes back in the trade box. How different is different enough to keep is always a question we face.
     
  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Not a single ancients dealer? Bummer! I hope it wasn't a long drive.
     
  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    That sucks, eh? (oh well => hopefully it was a pleasant drive?)

    ... it's not like you have to go to work on Monday, right? (totally jealous)
     
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It was one of thousands of local clubs that feel the need to have a local coin show but attendance makes me wonder if even the US people do well. At under ten miles, I had to go see. A couple dealers said they had ancients at home but did not bring everything they own. A few generalists had a few ancients but nothing for anyone into the subject. One guy had a box with several thousand completely uncleaned junkers. Some were Seleucid bottle caps but he asked I not dump them out and none jumped out on their own volition. I suspect he bought several kilos of uncleaned but had no idea that the weight would include that much dirt. Highlight was a book dealer who had several books on ancients including reprints of 19th century works on specialty subjects in French and German. There were more people at the show that read French or German than there were that collected ancients. I compared a few prices to Amazon which was always cheaper even if you add postage.

    I heard the show TV ad which specified ancients so I was hoping they contracted a real dealer but it was the usual things you find in the stock of dealers who will buy anything. I did learn the club plans a bus to the Baltimore show in November. That may have been the real highlight. Anyone want to join me on a bus to Baltimore?
     
  16. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Have JA sell it for you in a future sale?
     
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