Why does NGC think their arrogance doesn't smell?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Barney McRae, Jan 26, 2024.

  1. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

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    Why do people look down their noses at ANACS and IGC? Seriously?

    Perfect example

    I've got a raw 1882 CC Morgan GSA coin, I've posted it here when I purchased it. Forum consensus was 63 ++ which I don't disagree with. Not posting reverse because I was advised reverse was a 65, but that Morgans are judged on the obverse. Here it is. Next is a NGC GSA coin stickered as a 64 that looks like a battered spouse. Comments? I am telling you, I think ANACS is a much tougher grader based on anecdotal evidence. Discuss. ;)
     
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  3. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I have had great experience with ANACS and IGC. I do not care to do business with Arrogantes. I don't want to give them any free publicity and will only say "the top two." Thanks for the post.
     
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  4. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    I use NGC for grading. I've owned ANACS and ICG slabbed coins as well. I think, until you get to the MS grades, both companies are essentially equal. My issue with all of the TPGs is in the MS category. There's a lot of inconsistent splitting of hairs from one point to the next.

    I recently submitted two ICG buffalo nickels to NGC, a Type 1 and Type 2. The type 2 graded the same with both at MS66, the type one dropped a point from ICG MS63 to NGC MS 62.
     
  5. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I don't get my coins graded. I only buy them graded. I like PCGS and NGC holders though. Why do all the "leg work" and spend all kinds of money when you can buy the finished product for possibly cheaper?
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Who woulda thunk it - ZOMBIE HORSES ! The dead shall rise again, and again, and again ! :rolleyes:

    Seriously ? To make themselves feel better about themselves. And yeah it really is just that simple. And it happens literally millions of times a day in pretty much all facets of life.

    Put another way - my whatever is better than your whatever.
     
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  7. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Oh brother
     
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  9. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Can you spare a dime?
     
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  11. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    For me there is really only one reason. Raw sleepers that need grade authenticity but more importantly, documented attribution for Morgan varieties. At some point, my wife or heirs will have solid evidence of a more known value should any of us want to liquidate. Grading evidence cost is just part of the investment process, similar to bank vault or home safe expenditures.
     
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  12. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

     
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  13. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    To quote the late and great Hobson, "One must go to a bowling alley to meet a woman of her stature". :p
     
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  14. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    First, ANACS is a top grader right up there with PCGS and NGC. The issue stems from the initial years after being dropped by the American Numismatic Association when they became independent. The grading was questionable, but in time it improved dramatically. And like happens with any company, a few negative responses cancel out thousands and thousands of positives which take years to recover from. From years of experience at coin shows and local shops, ANACS graded coins are spot on when comparing them side by side with the top two firms. As for ICGS, again seeing them side by side, the grades more often than not are one or two higher comparatively. In the end, I buy the coin not the holder or brand. Submission wise, ANACS. I can not justify the additional membership fee with NGC or PCGS.
     
  15. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Don't get carried away, now.......
     
  16. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    You compare a raw 1882CC with a graded 1884 Morgan… raw coin appears to be looking nicer… you share images of the obverse only… image quality is different, too… what‘s the point and how does this make NGC arrogant?
     
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  17. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I've had anacs coins when cracked out and sent to pcgs go up. And significantly. Ms 62- 64. And AU 53 to 58.
     
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  18. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Sniff under your own wing, bucko, before you go sniffing other people's.
     
  19. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    My point is that, in another thread, consensus was that the raw coin (mine) was a 63 or 64. I was just showing the obverse comparison, because the forum consensus was the reverse was 65. There are some very astute posters here. The market seems to look down their noses at ANACS. PCGS will do crossovers for ANACS slabs, NGC will not.
     
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  20. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Consensus from a bunch of internet wannabes grading from photographs and a $1 will buy you a cup of Ronald's bad joe.
     
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  21. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

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    :p:smug::lurking::wacky::depressed: Some NGC apologist seems triggered? Oh.... and in the future address me as the III (3d) as well. We even have our own coat of arms.
     
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