A couple of new Alexandrian tetradrachms

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TIF, Aug 4, 2016.

  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    WOW, NICE!!! That is a great one!

    LOL, son was NOT as UGLY as Dad... but had a likeness! :D
     
    Mikey Zee likes this.
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Blake S. Davis

    Blake S. Davis New Member

     
    Cucumbor, Alegandron and Mikey Zee like this.
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Beautiful coin, especially the toning.
     
    Mikey Zee likes this.
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Last edited: Aug 23, 2016
  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Thats a great porait for a tet in thr op, and great coins all
     
  7. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    I have a Nero and Tiberius Alexandrian Tet, Struck 66-67 AD, 12.58gm, 23.7mm. 20160821_115345.jpg 20160821_115405.jpg
     
  8. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    This lump of billon haslanded on my mat. I saw it for sale and put in a low ball bid and scared off everyone else.... I like it. It is darkly toned on both sides.

    It is currently the only Nero in my collection.

    Billon Tetradrachm
    Obv:- NERW KLAY KAIS SEB GER, Radiate head of Nero right
    Rev:– AYTO-KPA, Eagle standing left, palm under wing, simpulum in right field
    Minted in Alexandria. L IA in left field. Dated Year 11 (64/5 AD).
    Reference:– Dattari 271; Milne 236; Curtis 97; BMC Alexandria p 20, 166; RPC I 5284; Geissen 167; Kampmann-Ganschow 14.83

    GI 020c img.jpg
     
  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    It's a great addition, Martian. Nice look to it.
     
  10. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    @Alegandron , As with the Alexander / Herakles portraits on (much) later coins, the Ptolemy I portrait was also used on later issues, thats why the look the same. (all ugly:))
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Makes a lot of sense, although they seem to "soften" the portraits as the years go by. I always liked Ptolemy I... probably one of Alexander's more shrewd Generals, and of course went on to create his own Empire and Dynasty... A scrappy dude!
     
    Mikey Zee likes this.
  12. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Here is my Ptolemy I portrait from Alexandria and a later one

    Ptolemaic Kingdom, Ptolemy I Soter, Tetradrachm

    Obv:– Diademed head of Ptolemy I right wearing aegis
    Rev:– ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, monogram left
    Minted in Alexandria, B.C. 294
    Reference:– Svoronos 236, SNG Cop 75
    14.379g, 29.9mm, 0o

    The following notes were provided by the seller in their catalog description.
    "Struck on a briefly used standard of 21-attic obols. Broad flan. Overstruck over an Alexander tetradrachm, which had a banker's mark. Undertype visible at 4:00 on obverse. Minor chip. Rare overstrike!"

    Many thanks to mihali84 for spotting the signature on the coin. The coin has the signature of the Delta artist behind the ear (between the ear and the first curl near the neck). I was not aware of this wonderful detail and it wasn't mentioned by Forum in their description either. This artist was a master craftsman and was responsible for some coins of high artistry at Alexandria during the reign of Ptolemy I (possibly into the early reign of Ptolemy II) and produced from quite early in the reign, including one of the iconic elephant's skin headdress tetradrachm.

    [​IMG]

    The same portrait is being used some 100+ years later....

    Ptolemaic Kingdom, Ptolemy VI Philometor

    Obv:– Diademed head of Ptolemy I right wearing aegis
    Rev:- PTOLEMAIOY BASILEOS, eagle standing left, head left, on thunderbolt, wings closed
    Minted in Alexandria, B.C. 180-145
    Reference:– Svoronos 1489, SNG Cop 262

    14.031g, 27.3m, 0o

    Additional comments from the dealer - "Ptolemy VI became king in 180 B.C. at the age of about 6 and ruled jointly with his mother, Cleopatra I, until her death in 176 BC. From 170 to 164 B.C., Egypt was ruled by Ptolemy, his sister-queen and his younger brother Ptolemy VIII Physcon. In 170 BC, the Seleukid King Antiochus IV invaded and was even crowned king in 168, but abandoned his claim on the orders from Rome. In 164 Ptolemy VI was driven out by his brother. He went to Rome and received support from Cato. He was restored the following year. In 152 BC, he briefly ruled jointly with his son, Ptolemy Eupator, but his son probably died that same year. In 145 B.C. he died of battle wounds received against Alexander Balas of Syria. Ptolemy VI ruled uneasily, cruelly suppressing frequent rebellions."

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Martin, I REALLY like your Ptol I overstrike! VERY nice and unusual coin! Added benefit of the Delta in curl behind ear (Mine has that famous artist signature too.) Wow, Congrats!
     
  14. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    :rolleyes:I rarely disagree with @Alegandron...

    Terrific Ptolemies Martin!
     
    Alegandron likes this.
  15. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    My coin has the Delta too behind the ear,
    Martin, both coins are awsome , lots of eye-appeal.

    both Ptolemy VI and VIII on one coin:
    [​IMG]

    another overstrike, the elephant scalp tet.
    [​IMG]
     
    Cucumbor, dlhill132, TIF and 6 others like this.
  16. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    An elephant scalp is on my dream coin list.
     
  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Hmm, I guess I should have been more specific in the thread title: Roman Egypt tetradrachms. That's okay though-- I'll pile on some Ptolemaic tets too :D

    First though, a new arrival via JA's auction, consigned by JBG, formerly owned by Keith Emmett. Nice! I recall seeing this coin in Beast's Vcoins store but dithered about buying it. Apparently I was meant to own it after all :)

    CarusTet-E3995-2-R2.jpg
    EGYPT, Alexandria. Carus
    undated, but struck apparently struck posthumously by his son Carinus in CE 283/4
    tetradrachm, 19 mm, 7.7 gm, 12h
    Obv: ΘEωKAPωCEB; Laureate head right.
    Rev: AΦIEPωCIC; lit altar decorated with crossed palms, star in upper left field.
    Ref: Emmett 3995.2, R2
    ex @JBGood; ex Keith Emmett Collection; ex Empire Coins, July 1982

    Non-Roman Alexandrian tetradrachms, which I was very happy to add this year:

    [​IMG]
    EGYPT. Ptolemy I Soter
    AR tetradrachm, 27 mm, 17.0 gm (Attic standard)
    Alexandreia mint, struck 313/12 BCE
    Obv: Head of the deified Alexander III to right, wearing mitra of Dionysos and elephant skin headdress, with aegis around his neck, and with horn of Ammon on his forehead
    Rev: ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ; Athena Alkidemos advancing right, hurling spear with her right hand and with shield over her extended left arm; to right, eagle with closed wings standing on thunderbolt to right with ΔΙ below
    Ref: Svoronos 33; Zervos series D, issue XIII; SNG Copenhagen 14; BMC 7

    [​IMG]
    EGYPT. Ptolemy I Soter
    Struck c. 300-285 BCE, Alexandreia mint
    AR tetradrachm, 28 mm, 13.92 gm
    Obv: diademed head right, wearing aegis around neck, tiny Δ behind ear
    Rev: eagle standing left on thunderbolt; to left, P above monogram
    Ref: Svoronos 252; SNG Copenhagen 69; Noeske 40
     
    Cucumbor, zumbly, Mikey Zee and 6 others like this.
  18. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I nearly went after that one - I think the reverse is really interesting.
     
    TIF likes this.
  19. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I've seen these before, Martin, but holy smokes I'm always glad to see them again. First rate!
     
  20. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    TIF, what JA said about Martin's post applies to your last one as well---all three coins are simply wonderful!!
     
    TIF likes this.
  21. Bart9349

    Bart9349 Junior Member

    I found this floating on the internet:

    Abstract: Many tetradrachms of Alexandria have been assayed for their silver content but very few have been properly analyzed for the various components present in the alloys. Fourteen new gravimetric analyses are given of representative specimens ranging in date from the time of Claudius to the time of Aurelian. The silver content was found to range from 23.04% in the earliest coin to 1.43% in the latest. The principal component was copper, but small proportions of gold, tin, lead, iron, nickel, and zinc were present in all the coins. Various conclusions are drawn from the analytical data, including the probable composition of the copper used in the preparation of the alloys. -- AATA

    http://www.bcin.ca/Interface/openbcin.cgi?submit=submit&Chinkey=66668
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page