No victory for Victor

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ValiantKnight, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Here is the latest addition to my late Roman collection. This Flavius Victor coin isn't much to look at I'll admit but he was still someone I was missing for my collection, especially my rare late Roman rulers sub-collection. There isn't a whole lot on him unlike his more prominent father, Magnus Maximus, so fortunately for you all (and me, less typing :D) it will be a short read :)

    Flavius Victor, as mentioned earier, was the son of the Roman usurper Magnus Maximus. His year of birth doesn't seem to be recorded but it is thought he was either an infant or a few years old (4 or 5) when his coins were struck, despite him being portrayed as an adult on them. After rebelling against Emperor Gratian in 383 AD and arranging his death, Maximus enter into negotiations with the Emperors Theodosius I and Valentinian II in order to secure official recognition for him and Victor. It was a difficult effort, but in 386 AD father and son received recognition as co-Augusti of the Western Roman Empire, more specifically as rulers of the provinces of Britannia, Gaul, Hispania, and Africa. A year later, in 387 AD, Maximus decided to move against Valentinian II by invading Italy. He left the young Victor in Trier, in the care of the generals Quintinus and Nannienus. Maximus managed to defeat (but not kill) Valentinian, but soon after faced off against Theodosius and his forces. In 388, Maximus was defeated and executed. Theodosius then sent his general, Arbogast, to Trier to execute Victor, which he did by strangulation.

    Flavius Victor, Western Roman Empire
    AE4
    Obv: D N FL VIC-TOR P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, bust right
    Rev: SPES RO-MA-NORVM, campgate, star above
    Mint: Aquileia, Arles, Lugdunum, or Trier

    Flavius Victor.jpg

    Roman Empire in 395, a few years after the deaths of magnus Maximus and Flavius Victor:

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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congrats. One of the ones I am after.
     
  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice... I am still missing one of these and have been after it for some years now.
     
  5. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Poor little boy. Cool coin!

    The reverse makes me think of a city gate.
     
  6. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I got a bunch of campgates last week, excuse the rubbish photos. They included Arcadius, Theodosius, Flavius Victor and his dad, Magnus Maximus.
    campgates obv.JPG campgates rev.JPG IMG_4592.JPG IMG_4593.JPG
     
  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I always enjoy your write-ups. Congrats on a neat coin too.
     
  8. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice write up indeed...other than late roman guy, i could't have told you a thing about FV.

    interesting coin vk!
     
  9. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

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  10. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Not an emperor I have stumbled across yet. Nice one.
     
  11. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Great write-up as usual and cool capture @ValiantKnight !!!

    I snagged an example sometime early last year.... which is badly in need of a new photo; AE-4, Lyons mint:
    favius victor.jpg
     
  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Ooops, I have Flavius Victor... a little off-centered, but identified...

    Scratched off my Emperors Needed List...

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    RI Flavius Victor 384-388 CE AE4 14mm 1-8g Aquileia Camp Gate Star SMAQS RIC IX 55b-2 LRBC1104
     
  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Atta-boy, Jango ... that's a very cool and fairly rare ruler (well played)

    :rolleyes:

    => You win the Parrot Award for that sweet addition (congrats)

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  14. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Hey, I will buy you a beer at this winters FUN show. Maybe we can symbolically reconcile our differences. I am cool with you keeping the western empire and I will keep the eastern.

    :)
     
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  15. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    You killed my son, so no a beer won't cover it.
    Make it a bottle of wine and the province of Pannonia then we can settle our differences:D
     
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    WHAT???
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  17. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    There is a Business Model called Fast Follower... Basically the Strategy is: "Yeah, we can do that!" :D
     
  19. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the coin compliments.

    Got any coin of FV, Magmax?
     
  20. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    I do, its a lovely Silver as well! I'm just saving it for you guys for a special occasion
     
  21. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    A lot of child emperors paid for their fathers' ambitions with their lives. Can't say I feel sorry for the outcome as their parents were often bloody ambitious murderers who had their predecessors' families murdered when they came to power. Karma!
     
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