They Get Better Each Year

Oh, Lord. Its that old argument over margin and mark up! Basically the same thing, just different ways of getting there. Calculating $1:

Margin 30% = .40 cents profit
Markup 30% = .30 cents profit

Corporate business prefers margin as the end result is higher, though neither matter when considering the bottom line. I should know, I dealt with it for many years!

 

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The portrait is just fine in of itself. It is entirely in line with others (and as I mentioned I believe it to be a genuine host coin). The "F" is not so unusual either, just that when you look at the line to the left it looks applied (and I am not sure all know the difference between applied and tooled). BUT, the line to the bottom looks as if it were tooled. Hence I cant tell from the photo which is really is.

 

Just like me, did great in other classes, especially science & history, did horrible in math. I failed pre-algebra twice before passing with a low C in my final semester in HS. Helped I had a brand new hire teacher and he worked with us during his lunch and gave us who struggled extra help, and it did. Prior math teachers were punks. Plus my dad was good at math but never had the patience. Being called stupid didn't help matters.

Would have graduated a 4.0, but got 3.8 cause of math.

 

Mat. Be careful my friend! I was nearly banned from the site for using ***'s! Profanity is not only banned here, but intent as well. Coin Talk is not a democracy, it is a....well, I was going to use a word, but I honestly dont want to get into trouble. Last I heard I was on thin ice. Please, be careful, and to the moderators, I dont want trouble! Just trying to help out a fellow numismatist!

 

Just call it a "PEOPLE'S Democratic republic of Nort- I mean Cointalk.

 

Done it many times before with no issues here, but edited....

 

CT isn't heaven but it's a hell of a lot better than Coin Community Forum! Some of the older collectors know what I'm talking about.

 

Forvm is the worst. Good folks there, but rules are very strict.

 

@Mat
Soooooo true.

 

Dont know that forum. While I have been on the web since its inception (yea, there is a difference between the Web and the Internet), it took me many years to find Coin Talk.

 

I will agree with the folks above about glued on Fs. My issue is the patina color and surface texture look too uniform to me. It looks like someone applies a great paint job. I would have to look at other coins, but it looks like the crack at 2 was filled in with the patina coat.

 

I will vouch for that. I remember reading Ken's posts back when most coin collectors never knew there were online resources.

 

I also am a member of Forvm, as I imagine many others are as well. That group seems more scholarly in all honesty, with a LOT of members who are well educated in coins. BUT, CT seems more like a family to me (though I do get tired of all the redundant posts of 'here is my example'). CT is much more lively, personal, and in touch. Why else do I have my avatar say 'amazed'?

 

I do think the "F" is likely applied. However, I dont have a problem with the patina. While it is certainly not original they can be accomplished chemically quite well (and honestly, many bronzes are).

 

@Ken Dorney My apologies as I should have clarified myself. Most of your members who have been on Coin Talk for a few years were part of Coin community forum(CCF) and migrated over to CT. @Bing @stevex6 @Pishpash ect ect...

 

Gee, thanks! A little vindication! Anyone remember Prodigy, Compuserve, Coin Universe? Oh yea, newsgroups! So many have come and gone. But, as recently posted, there was print before that. I have had some discussions printed in The Celator. I remember one sparring session I had with Alan Walker. Turns out I was wrong on that issue!

 

Please let a rookie weigh in. First, the field around the "F" looks perfectly normal, granular, layered and no evidence at all of tooling.

If the "F" were added, it should have evidence of a "seam" somewhere around the letter or tooling. The surface of this coin is not "fresh." Note how smooth and rounded the surface blends into the cracks and the even color of the entire coin.

If the "F" adds lots to the value, it is a better and more deceptive option to counterfeit the entire coin rather than adding the "F."

 

No problems! I posted the topic to see where it would go, not considering rookies might get into the topic. The formation of the letter as you point out is just fine. It is the sharp edge between the left side of that letter and the surface of the coin which calls it into question. This indicates that the letter is applied (single letters of metal can and are often applied to the surface of a genuine coin), or that it may be simply tooled (as may be indicated by the sharp line directly below).

 

Yea, well, I have been monopolizing my own post! Sorry all! Just that I have a coin show this weekend (in Sacramento) and I have some time while I pack up and neglect everything else. I guess its a bit self-indulgent?

 

Note that the same type of "displacement" is at the bases of "III." If you care to take the trouble, what does the edge and other side look like?