Why am I excited about this Large Cent?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Marshall, Aug 12, 2016.

  1. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I'm going to hazard a guess and say 1793 obverse 14, reverse K.
    If I'm wrong, at least I'll get notifications and find out with everyone else.
    Jim
     
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  3. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    OK!
    First hint. It's definitely a 1794.
     
  4. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    It appears I made a mistake. Jefferson head was only 1795. So my guess is completely wrong. How stupid of me.

    I'm going with 1794 with head of 1793. Prolly still wrong but better than my initial idiotic guess.
     
  5. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I have to admit, I've not put in the work to be good at attributing coins like this. That is exactly the reason that I have 2 1794s in AG that I won't let go. It would be just my luck to sell an NC variety for $100.
     
  6. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    1794 starred reverse? S-48

    Looks like remminence of stars on the reverse at 10 o clock. Could be the beers talking though. If so the price guide shows that as a huge win.
     
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  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I would hope S-48, Starred, but the lowest curl does not match up. Some of the reverse elements do, however. Wish I had my books with me.
    We will soon know....
     
  8. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Learning is never stupid. Failure to learn is. As much as I love attribution, I still make mistakes. That's why I always seek verification.

    I once had a bid on a 1795 NC-3 that got pulled while I was winning. The coin didn't receive much interest due to poor photos and lack of attribution. The seller didn't like waiting for delivery before getting his money from eBay. I may have verified the same coin or another one when a fellow collector was approached with the opportunity.

    He took it of course. But even he, an expert I look up to, asked for independent verification.

    1795 large cent nc3.jpg
     
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  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    After a little photo manipulation:
    1795 large cent nc3 obverse-2b-vert.jpg
     
  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    If you can post good photos, I'll be happy to assist in attributing them.
     
  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Believe it or not, this is the best example of the variety from the Holmes sale in 2009 alongside the one that got away.
    1795 NC-3 G4-horz.jpg
     
  12. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    Does the hair curl on the 1794 actually make that "S" shape or does it look that way because of environmental damage? The reason I ask is that I looked through NGC's variety page for the date and couldn't find a hair curl that looked like that on any of the varieties (none of the NCs either).

    Needless to say I'm anticipating the big reveal....
     
  13. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Definitely environmental damage.
     
  14. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I remember Roger, PHILCO and out as a play on another old phrase Roger, Wilco and out.
     
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  15. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

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  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'm going to jump the gun a bit because this just showed up on eBay and the odds are ridiculously against this happening.

    Yes! This is another coin like the one I just won. Unfortunately, it's way better than I can afford, but I thought I'd give you guys a chance to consider it since the Auction ends in three days.

    1794 S-32(I).jpg

    Here's the story. These are S-32s which are rather common 2+ to barely scarce 3- by variety.

    That is not what excited me. These are Die State I coins which are very rare. Breen describes it as:

    Die States: I. No clash marks or breaks. Tiny faint flaw crosses the berry left of C(E). Very rare. Perhaps seven or eight are known of this die state.

    What are the chances of two showing up the same week?

    This is a photo image I prepared of the die states I, my coin, and II.

    Notice particularly how quickly the outside berry at S(T) becomes obscured by the crack which is usually seen on this variety.

    1794 S-32 Obverse (I) Holmes-tile-horz.jpg

    If any of you have a larger budget than I do, you might consider this a gift. But be forewarned that die state rarities to not carry the premium prices that varieties of the same rarity do. The first image in my composit was sold for only $660 in the Holmes sale in 2009. And every coin in that sale had added value because of the provenance with Dan Holmes.
     
  17. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is a new composite of all four coins:

    1794 S-32(I)-horz.jpg

    Another thought. The new find and the Holmes coin are both weak in the same areas confirming Breens belief that there was a misalignment of the dies. This means the market grade is probably lower than it should be. There's less wear because it came from the mint weak on the right side.

    Breen used the Adams VF25 to illustrate the die state and it is superior to the new specimen, but the new find is likely the next in the die state CC.
     
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  18. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Always love reading your posts!
     
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