Cleaned matte proof cent

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  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I never thought of this coin as being cleaned but now I believe it was. Something about the color looks off. Please share your thoughts.
    PCI PR-63 RB
    PCGS UNC Details Cleaned
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  3. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Looks nice to me, but I have never seen a matte proofin person before. Reverse looks a little stripped, but I would have chalked that up to the "matte" part of matte proof.
     
  4. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    But this is the thing, Larry. Is it missing luster? Are there obvious breaks, obvious dead spots? Are there scratches, hairlines? Describe them. Put our noses in it. Do it, let's see it. That's what I'd tell my kids. They're 7, 8, 9, 10, early teens. Let's see it. Forget "cleaned." That's bullship. And bullship don't get nobody nowhere.

    Now to this coin. Well bully for you, PCGS, but we don't grade coins based on our feelings. You can, that's your business. You can't articulate this beyond "cleaned," that's your speed? I know 13-year-olds who can teach you something. End of rant. Before I really get pissed off.

    EDIT: If I'm seeing anything, I'm seeing depth compromised on this one. And I've seen it on these matte proofs, before.
     
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  5. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    The matte finish looks good with the exception of Lincoln's face. The toning is not uniform to the rest of the coin. The reverse appears to be starting to corrode slightly. I would not pass it up, it is a very nice coin.
     
  6. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    The lapel looks different
     
  7. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    See!!!!! It’s not only the new members that get pummeled. @ldhair
     
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  8. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I downloaded the 6000x3000 size TrueView and I don’t see any hairlines anywhere that would be evidence of cleaning. Even if the lighting position was hiding the lines some would still be seen……..I don’t see any. Looks good to me.
    Edited to say I’m a little concerned by the rims though.. I would expect them to be sharper than they are. In some areas they actually look beveled instead of razor sharp

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  9. gmarguli

    gmarguli Slightly Evil™

    Color on forehead and cheek is signs of re-toning after a dip. The rest of the coin looks too bright with a pinkish hue.

    Crack it out and let it re-tone brown.
     
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  10. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    My thoughts they think the color a bit off. Possibly an ancient dip. I often struggle with determining natural color on copper though
     
  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I'm not pummeling him, Cheech, I'm telling what I'd teach the kids. I teach them to think.
     
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  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Dip in what?
     
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  13. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Many years ago there was a seller at the local coin shows who had lots of raw Lincolns for sale. They were mostly the same bright coppery color as the OP coin. I remember asking some other dealers at the time, and they said the seller dipped all his coins. Not sure what he used.
     
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  14. gmarguli

    gmarguli Slightly Evil™

    Acid. Anything from lemon juice, to household chemicals, to dips marketed for coins.
     
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  15. Anthony Mazza

    Anthony Mazza Well-Known Member

    Could it be PCI toning?
     
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  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The PCI image was taken with the coin in the holder.
    The PCGS image was taken with the coin raw, out of the holder.
     
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  17. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I'm just unfamiliar with any "dip" for copper. That is to say, one that doesn't turn them pink, like ketchup.
     
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  18. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It's the ageing in the right environment that brings them back to acceptable tones. We can't deny that they try it. Just like dipping silver, it takes the high point luster when the surfaces are stripped.
     
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  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    That threw me also. Only parts of the rim though
     
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  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Why would you dip that proof coin
     
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  21. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Well then good advice
     
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