RPM's VS. DBL DIE

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by stainless, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. stainless

    stainless ANTONINIVS

    I know this has been covered probably, but I don't feel like searching for it, and even if I attempted a search, I can never find what I am searching for on here anyway, and when I type in another search, I have to wait 15 minutes.

    Anywho...

    What is the difference between the two? I mean, I know what each one is, I just have a problem telling which is which on a coin.


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  3. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    An RPM or repunched mint mark will ONLY affect the mint mark where as a Doubled Die, except in very minor instances, will affect multiple areas of the face of the coin. Pre-1990 coins the doubled die will not affect the mintmark as it was applied to toe die seperately.

    Richard
     
  4. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    I would say one of the main differences is the rpm is exclusive to the mint mark, and an rpm doesn't always mean doubling. For instance the S/S, or O/O in the Morgan series, where the original mint marks were polished away (but not fully) and then the mint mark was punched into the dies again.

    When trying to tell the difference; the mint mark (if there is one) shouldn't be affected by a doubled die, since the mint mark is added to the working dies, while a doubled die occurs during the transfer from the hub to the working dies. On a doubled die there will be doubling evident on the rest of the coin (Motto, date, and the devices), while there wont on an rpm.

    *Ziggy beat me to it.
     
  5. stainless

    stainless ANTONINIVS


    Ah, okay thanks. That clears things up.

    stainless
     
  6. stainless

    stainless ANTONINIVS

    Also, from my understanding, and RPM isn't really considered an error?


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  7. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    I believe the term error is used pretty loosely, technically both doubled dies and rpms are varieties, and not errors.
     
  8. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Basic rule of thumb

    An error originates in the coin manufacturing process.

    A variety originates in the die manufacturing process.
     
  9. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    Yes
    RPM's are die varieties. You can learn a lot about them here
    www.coppercoins.com
    Charles is pretty much the authority on RPM's

    Richard
     
  10. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    The other point to make is that an RPM is the term used (repunched mint mark) when the mint mark is the same.

    We use OMM (over mint mark) when there are different mint marks involved.

    So a D over D is an RPM

    S over D is an OMM
     
  11. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    Thanks for the info :thumb:, I hadn't heard the term OMM. I changed the original example of the O/CC.
     
  12. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    My Pleasure!

    happy Holidays!

    Bill
     
  13. Felina

    Felina New Member

    Hey you guys! (anybody 'member the old "Electric Company" ?) anyway . . .
    So hey, didn't Wixler somewhat recently talk about how "OMM" has been "filtered out" of the jargon for these types of errors, these days? And so, I would label mine a "1979- filled S/D RPM" ? is that correct? The last letter signifying that it's the more prominent one?
    I do ThankYou kindly for any response w/helpful corrections, if need be, my Good Sir.
    Felina {bit of a newbie}
     
  14. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    What has CONECA done about the designation of OMM?
     
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