My "one that got away" story: the 1806 O-129 Draped Bust half discovery coin

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    (There used to be someone else's web page about this coin which I would link to, but that's gone to the Internet Graveyard, so let me retell the tale in my own post. ~RWS/"LM")

    Around 2004 or so, I acquired this holed 1806 Draped Bust half dollar in a swap at the FUN show in Orlando.

    As I recall, I traded a couple of Irish mint sets worth about $40 for it. I got it for my "Holey Coin Vest".

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    Image credit: Sheridan Downey, accessed from the John Reich Collectors Society R6 to R8 rarities gallery.

    I later sold the coin in 2005 to Rich Sayre, aka "Cladiator" on the Collectors Universe forums, for $75. So, having had $40 of trade goods invested in the coin, I figure I made a modest profit on the transaction. (In fact, I nearly doubled my money.)

    Rich later put it up on eBay, and he and I were equally flabbergasted when it skyrocketed to a low four-figure price (I forget what it closed for now, but it was in the very high $1,000s or low $2,000s). At least two people got into a bidding war over it late in the auction.

    Why? Well, it turns out that it was a previously unknown die marriage. This was later confirmed and it became the discovery coin of the 1806 Overton-129 variety. Unique at the time. According to this page from the John Reich Collectors Society, there are two known. So another was subsequently discovered.

    The sad story (for me):

    At the time of the discovery, the 1806 O-129 discovery coin was speculated by some to be worth as much as $10,000, never mind the hole in it. I don't know what subsequent sales records for the known examples are. I doubt one ever fetched that much- particularly since that second example was discovered- but suffice it to say... I sold a coin worth thousands for the paltry sum of seventy-five bucks! Oh well. At least I've got the tale to tell.

    That's how it goes in the cherrypicking game. Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug. I really don't mind all that much, and view it philosophically. I never would have discovered the thing on my own- die variety minutiae is not and never will be my cup o' tea. Congratulations to the discoverer, David Hatfield, as far as I'm concerned, as he had the specialist knowledge to make the discovery.

    Rich and David later made a nice consolation gesture to me: they presented me with a copy of the Overton book, signed by everyone involved in the discovery. (I later sold it to someone who will use it- die varieties are still not my thing, and the book read like an algebra text as far as I'm concerned.) But more power to 'em. I respect the specialists who are savvy enough to spot stuff like this.

    The happy ending (postscript):

    In the next year (2006), I got my comeuppance. I was going through a bulk bag of Wheat cents and found a sharpish looking 1914. There was a little speck of gunky dirt below the date, which I removed, and lo and behold, there was a "D" mintmark hidden underneath! So I cherrypicked a 1914-D cent which subsequently graded XF40 at PCGS. I paid 3-5 cents for it and sold it for $700 after slabbing. What comes around goes around, and I had my chance to be on the luckier end of a cherrypick that time!

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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Good things come back to those that do good. I firmly believe that.... I too am not a minutia fellow. If I were I would lose my mind studying the hoard of mess that is strewn about my three safes!
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I reckon I can't complain. I did make a modest profit off the $75 sale, after all. LOL
     
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  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yep, and given our @lordmarcovan's actions over the time he's been here, I'm expecting (casting an expectant eye skyward) a long-buried can of Dahlonega or Charlotte gold to turn up in his back yard just about any time...
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    If so, I won't act surprised, because in all of my years of detecting in NC and GA, I used to dream about that very thing!

    Of course in order to do that, I've got to first get up and go back out with the detector again, which is something I almost never do anymore... :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed the story. I purchase and enjoy what I have collected through the years. I never sell, I will enjoy until the end. The rest is up to my heirs.
     
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  8. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Great story, Lord M. As my late father used to say, you won't go broke if you turn a profit. (to which I append, "consistently.")
     
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  9. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    That was a fun story to read and I'm glad there was a positive score to help offset the first one. And I'm in the same camp-I also don't pay much attention to varieties (I respect those that do but I just can't get into it).
     
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  10. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Well-Known Member

    nice story!
     
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  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Fantabulous story Lord M. :)
     
  12. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

    I lose money on every numismatic transaction, BUT MAKE UP FOR IT IN VOLUME . . . .

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  13. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Fun account, thanks for posting. I still hope to cherry pick a reasonably scarce die marriage. Surely there's more than 2 or 3 or 4 out there of several D M's. Gonna do some looking this winter..
     
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  14. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Thank you for sharing this. Fun how new stuff can still be discovered in our hobby.
     
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  15. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    Excellent! You just never know when something unexpected like that will happen. You win some, you lose some, but I live the thrill of finding something cool!
     
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  16. bikergeek

    bikergeek Well-Known Member

    I LOVE the minutiae, @lordmarcovan, and so this was an interesting story! (Didn't hurt that it involved my friend Cladiator too). Just today I spent about three hours studying and documenting when the die chip forms above the middle bar of E3 on Reverse H of the capped bust half dimes. If it was merely a financial motive I couldn't do it. But being able to go all NCIS on an almost-200-year-old coin and to improve upon the body of knowledge (if for nobody but myself) is rewarding.

    But that financial motivation doesn't hurt... as you found, it can make the difference between a $75 coin and a $2000 (on up) coin!

    And @Mr.Q, by never selling - you leave the future joy of discovery open. If you decide to take a deep interest in die states, or errors, or varieties - you can go back thru your goodies and cherry-pick yourself! I've heard the stories but haven't had the pleasure of doing it yet. I do have a stack of "junk silver" that I'm going to settle down with someday, with a loupe and a Cherrypicker's Guide and a strong cup of coffee...
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    (Belated reply)

    Don't get me wrong. I’m glad there are folks like you out there, who love the minutiae. Y’all are the ones who advance our collective knowledge in the hobby.

    I find this particularly true of the folks who collect Ancients. Sometimes in that field, the knowledge accumulated actually sheds light on the wider history itself- not just of the coins, but of the rulers and usurpers who struck them.

    I learned a while ago that I’m just not one of those heavyweight scholarly types. I guess my interests are more superficial or casual than that. Doesn’t change the fact that I’m still an enthusiast, and do love learning more about stuff.
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Karma
     
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  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    We all goof up. I had a British Trade Dollar that I had purchased for less than $100 20 years ago. I let it go for double the money only to learn that they are now selling for well over $1,000 and up. You live and and you learn.

    Even if you own the book, you need to use it. The books I had would not have told me about the price increase, but still, I should have done my homework.

    On the other side, I too have had cherry picks, but only for die varieties. I never got lucky with a piece of dirt covering a mint mark!
     
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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oh, tell me about British trade dollars! I had a few I bought cheaply in the early 2000s, then later sold. Can’t replace ‘em now without paying ridiculous money. That situation is directly attributable to the growth of the market in China, where those trade dollars are as popular among Chinese collectors today as they once were with Chinese merchants a century ago.
     
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