Caligula Quadrans

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  1. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I just pulled the trigger on this one last night. Since I primarily collect modern coins, this one caught my eye due to its clean surfaces. Even though it isn’t that well centered, it looks like how I picture it would have looked when it was actually circulating. It seems that this level if preservation is not very common for Imperial bronze. I also couldn’t resist the Caligula attribution.

    After a bit of research I learned that the letters “RCC” on the reverse were to commemorate abolition of a 1/2 percent sales tax.

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    Last edited: Dec 14, 2023
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  3. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    That's a nice example!
     
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  4. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    A wonderful quadrans!

    What is described as a pileus, to me it looks rather like a Phrygian cap.:confused:

    What came to be labelled as the Phrygian cap was originally used by several Iranian peoples, including the Scythians, the Medes, and the Persians. From the reports of the ancient Greeks, it appears that the Iranian variant also was a soft headdress and called a tiara. The Greeks identified one variant with their eastern neighbors and labeled it the "Phrygian cap", sometimes ending in the head of a bird or animal. The Greek concept passed to the Romans. On Trajan's Column, which commemorated Trajan's epic wars with the Dacians, the Phrygian cap adorns the heads of Dacian warriors.

    Here we see a pileus, which doesn't end in something like your coin:
    Pileus.jpg
    not my coin, just an example of a pileus from https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Pileus_(hat)

    I'm just passing on to you my confusion. :confused:
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    How about one from Claudius, but not so nice as the OP example: Claudius 5.jpg

    CLAUDIUS
    AE Quadrans
    OBVERSE: T I CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG – Modius
    REVERSE: PON M TRP IMP P P COSII - Large S C
    Struck at Rome, 42AD
    2.6g, 16mm
    RIC 90, BN 195, S 1865, C 72
     
  6. Curtis

    Curtis Well-Known Member

    Beautiful example! I really like AE Quadrans. I'd love to have one of these Caligula's that nice!

    Note: Your coin previously sold at CNG e auction 522 a little over a year ago. It's very hard to find them in this fine state of preservation.​

    FWIW, the usual explanation of this type is that the Pileus (which represents Libertas) is meant to be symbolic of freedom / liberation from the tax you mentioned. It's supposed to have been a deliberate & recognizable homage to the EID MAR type and, more generally, the use of Libertas' symbols to represent "liberation" from the prior laws and taxes, or previous tyrannical rulers (used that way later, not this time), and so on.


    A couple mine that I haven't shared (recently):

    Claudius Quadrans, c. 41 CE. Modius obverse.
    Possibly imitative/struck at an "irregular mint" in Spain (?) (see also this HJB specimen with unusual reverse legend arrangement):
    Claudius Quadrans Modius.jpg


    Early Augustus Quadrans. Altar type, 5 BCE.
    Ex Archer Huntington (1870-1955) Collection. Donated to the Hispanic Society of America in 1940s, on long-term loan to the American Numismatic Society (Accession #1001.1.10488, w/ the peach-colored museum tag). De-accessioned and sold around 2012, donated back to ANS...and sold again!
    Augustus Quadrans Ex Archer Huntington ANS.jpg


    Domitian Quadrans. Rhinoceros. Struck 84/5 CE.
    Unfortunately the rhino's horn is off the flan to left. But I still like this one. My only rhinoceros coin, I think:

    Domitian Rhino Quadrans Ex Naville 61, 394.jpg
     
  7. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    So if my coin was incorrectly represented as having a pileus, should I claim “not as described” and ask for the Ides of March denarius as compensation? (I tried to put in a laugh emoji but the site won’t let me…)
     
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  8. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I really like the desert patina on your first one.

    Are you able to see the sale price on the link to mine? It didn’t show when I opened it.
     
  9. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    LOL, That's a good one! Don't think you'll get it. :D

    Anyway, I was just sharing my confusion, and i'm still confused:confused:
     
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  10. Curtis

    Curtis Well-Known Member

    You can find it on the CNG website. Just remember to add 20% (buyer fee) + whatever they paid to have it encapsulated
    https://cngcoins.com/Lot.aspx?LOT_ID=71468
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Deserving of its 5/5 surface rating, I think.
     
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