Twin 2004 toned American Gold Eagles

I already posted the first one a week or so ago. The second one just arrived today. The seller said he bought them both from the same seller who had them stored in an album. I am sending them to @Cascade who is submitting them to pcgs for trueview pics. I can't wait to see how they turn out!
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Let's hope the seller doesn't "find" any more of these.

 

It doesn't surprise me that you might find almost identical toning on two coins. I keep thinking about an identical pair of bronze medals I bought about 10 years ago. They were issued by California Parks & Recreation to honor a volunteer. They were mounted in a presentation case with the obverse of one and the reverse of the other showing, and each had a (very thin) plastic cover to protect them. I removed the medals to take photos, and found that the underside of each one had toned a beautiful copper color.

Chris

 

I would be thrilled if he did

 

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I'm a little suspicious of such strong toning on AGEs. Maybe it's legit, but the only thing I can be sure about is that there is financial incentive to AT these just like there is other coins.

 

AT or NT, those Eagles are beautiful!

 

Definitely seems odd that they would be pretty much the same...

 

I was thinking about this JB. If this is the case would you suggest paying for the trueviews only and not going secure shield? Would going secure prevent the possibility of getting a straight grade on a crackout? I've always wondered about that, if coins previously in secure shield slabs that are slabbed QC can still straight grade on a crackout.

 

All I have to go off of is this very similar MS70 currently graded with pcgs

 

They can and have. QC or straight grade is a judgement call assuming nothing was applied to it to induce the color.

But they can if for no other reason then you can always just send it back in with the regular service and no secure plus

 

Yeah but secure has all the extras to identify a particular coin.

I guess though that since we all know they see the current grade when you submit in the holder for an upgrade attempt that some do indeed upgrade. So why would it be any different with a secure coin that's been cracked.

 

It does, but unless it found something that made it not be a judgement call for them even with a new secure their judgement could change. Also nothing says cracking it had to be another secure submission and I doubt they're scamming every coin that comes in to check for that.

Exactly. They can always change their mind on most things.

 

They can only identify it if they decide it might be worth their while to go through the additional step to do so. I don't think it's automatic, especially with moderns.

 

The coins look very similar to one @Chiefbullsit had a few years back. Great toners!

Psst...Chief do you still have pics of yours?

 

Question: do these (and other) coins tone, then pcgs or ngc grades them, or do they get graded and slabbed, and THEN tone?

 

Some of both. These 2 are not graded, and the one pcgs took pics of was already toned when they graded it, so these all toned before grading. Toning can happen after too though, but there is less of a chance, since the holders are supposed to prevent it.

 

Thank you. So the graders can always see through the toning enough to thoroughly inspect the coin for grading?

 

For the most part yes. If the toning is so heavy and thick that it hides everything it will usually have a negative eye appeal which will lower the grade

 

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Yes sir, I do.