Full Bell Lines on Franklin Halves.

I clearly stated you can argue if it adds any extra value but they were in fact released the first day.

 

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Can somebody please post a pic of a "first day of issue" Franklin... oh wait, did they write that on the label back in 1959? ;-)


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I can't find it but I do think there is one from the 50s/60s (may have been a kennedy) where someone mailed it to themselves on the first day and kept it sealed all that time.

 

I say both sets of lines should be full, along with many other aspects, for a well struck mint state representation of a Franklin half. I don't see the need to list this on a label from a TPGS. Seriously, how does one Franklin grade MS-65 and another grade MS-65FBL? If part of MS-65 criteria is FBL and wispy hair that is one thing, but, to make a separate grade for some lines on a bell is just a little, well, stupid.

MS-65
MS-65FS
MS-655FS
MS-656FS
MS-65FH
MS-65FB
MS-65FSB
MS-65PL
MS-65DPML ?
MS-65RD
MS-65RD/BN
MS-65BN
MS-65FB(SPECIAL CATEGORY FOR BUST HALVES)

Please feel free to add any you like to the list.

Right now I am petitioning for the FL designation for the 2014 Everglades ATB quarter. Full Leg on the stork, duh. Or is it a crane?

 

How about full leg on the 1937-D Buffalo Nickel? Just trying to lighten up a string that got a little taunt.

 

I used to collect Franklin halves. I only bought NGC Franklins because of their stricter criteria (unless I could closely examine the PCGS coin in hand and judged it to meet my standards).

If anyone is interested: a CAC bean on a FBL coin means they agree with the FBL designation, but they also use PCGS's slack "standards".

I don't know when the TPG's started the other designations, but PCGS and NGC both started using FBL in 96/97, at the urging of Tomaska.

 

I've said it before, the main reason to get a coin certified by a TPG is exactly that, "certified". They guarantee that if they certify a coin as real they will stand behind that. I collect ancients, known to be counterfeited and I'll send them to a TPG not for grades for certification of authenticity.

 

@TheMont Perhaps you should ask the members on the ancient forum about authenticity guarantees. I learned last week that there is no such thing!

 

https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ancient-coins/
"Authenticity and attribution represent the opinion of NGC Ancients and are not guaranteed, nor is any guarantee implied."

 

Then why bother? Sounds like NGC wants to create another money maker without really providing any service. In other words they think it is real, but they aren't responsible if they're wrong.

I think I'll just buy Amos slabs and "authenticate" it myself.

 

They've got some good people working there now, most likely it's real if they say it is and most people will accept that it is. Ancients are so vast they just won't back it financially, probably a reason why PCGS doesn't bother with them at all. You're right though it is harder to justify the cost when they won't back authenticity, that said it's more assurance then none.

 

I used a metal analyzer on my Athena/Owl (89% silver), weighed it and measured the size. I looked at it through a microscope. Is NGC going to do any more than that? I also showed it to a long time collector of ancients and he felt it was real.

 

How dare you post an ancient coin in a thread about Franklin halves...? ;-)

 

I dare! Are you saying a mad, hysterical, and half-naked/half lion skin wearing Emperor holding a wooden club, who thinks he is Hercules, is not as cool as a founding father dressed in beaver furs?

 

I was wondering myself where this was Going?

 

I'm not sure that would work, unless it was sent Registered Mail. Even then, how would you determine the issue date for the coins unless mailed to you from the Mint directly?

 

If the postmark is the same as the day they were released you know it had to be the first day regardless of who mailed it.

 

At least part of my point was that it's easy to open a parcel without disturbing the postmark, but it was moreso that what you're proposing is almost impossible. The individual in question would have needed to go to the Mint to receive the coin, then go to a post office to mail the coin, had the sense of mind to use tamper evident packaging, and not open it.
In any case, PCGS requires US Mint packaging. I don't know about NGC. Beyond that, the story sounds like, just that... a story. If true, I guarantee some unscrupulous individuals would have found a way to submit "first release" coins to NGC by buying old postmarked stamps on wrapping paper...

 

It was mentioned on the CU forums and no one seemed to dispute it in a thread a couple months back. I can't find it so I don't know if it is true or not, someone would have just had to go to the bank since they were circulation coins at the time and mail it that day and of course not open it for a long time.

It's at least plausible. It would be like doing that with a quarter today, really wouldn't be that hard to throw one in the closet and forget about it.

 

Again, it's not plausible, as far as I'm concerned, since PCGS only accepts submissions in Mint sealed packaging postmarked before the cutoff date. Even if NGC accepted non-Mint sealed packaging, they only list back to 2008(?) for cutoff dates.