1854 Shilling - Very Pleasant Coin

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by 7Jags, Nov 20, 2023.

  1. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    This coin took some while to locate and must say is quite nice in hand - it took some while to find. The coin a very late die state for the reverse, but is just IMHO just that little bit better:

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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Very pleasant indeed. Nice subtle toning.
     
  4. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Very nice coin. Is there a bit of Die Clash at the front of the neck?
     
  5. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Those IMHO are die breaks which are also seen connecting much of the lettering esp. obverse toward 5 o'clock. Not on this coin but there is often die clash seen in center of wreath on rev. of 6d and shilling coins of Vicky.
     
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  6. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    What in the reverse is saying that? The coin just looks a little wore out.
     
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    "Wore out"? Hardly! That's Choice AU+, if not low MS...

    Or were you merely referring to the dies?
     
  8. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I'm good with that, AU-ish. That's circulation wear, not a "very late die state" (his description), is what I'm saying. I'm seeing the circulation wear on the reverse. I'm wondering what he's seeing suggesting a "very late die state" on the reverse.
     
  9. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Actually the coin graded MS 64 and is every bit that. Late die state - what do you define as a coin showing MULTIPLE die breaks, not too mention high points not struck up - e.g. the leaf edges, acorns, and the die chip over the main laurel branch at approximately the 8 o'clock position. I will say that I have held several in hand and def. above the 62s in hand. And I emphasize the "in hand".
    It is not circulation wear; one of the elementary ways of discerning this is to look at not just the high points in the Queen's hair or the wreath, but their surround and also areas like the cheek, brow ridge & articulation of nose. And go ahead and look at the fields and please show wear or even any hairlines. Additionally although admittedly a little hard to see in these photographs are the very sharp edges (again seen in hand).Perhaps you may consider examining a few more of the earlier Vicky minors.
    I am truly wondering what you are seeing in response (not to mention your aggressive tone), and I will gladly put my knowledge and background up to any you may provide.
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Doesn’t surprise me at all to learn it’s Mint State. I couldn’t tell, based on my looking at the high points of Vickie’s hair. I was hedging my bets at AU+.

    It’s certainly a sweet example. Not “wore out” by any stretch of the imagination. :rolleyes:
     
  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Can I ask you something? You called this coin AU+. I called it a coin that just looks a little wore out. What's the former if not the latter? So you'll watch yourself the next time and not isolate words out of context when rushing to criticize, or that would be nice.
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2023
  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You're hearing things, now, pal. Why don't you try meditating more? All I did was question you.
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    “Wore out” refers more to a coin that is completely worn out, i.e., slick.
     
  14. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Well, I read what you (eddiespin) wrote and you will see a bit of insult which is all good; being a good scorpio I read it and responded with ration. Your choice to ignore or to take it as a learning opportunity. Really doesn't matter, so Peace be with You.
     
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