1983 D US mint copper plating error

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by trussxx1, Nov 5, 2023.

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  1. Mint Error

    18.2%
  2. Altered

    81.8%
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  1. trussxx1

    trussxx1 New Member

    Some people believe this coin was altered after it came from the US mint. I found this is circulation and in my opinion the copper plating was not annealed properly and pulled off in the printing process. I inspected the coin with a digital microscope and there are no tool marks the edges around the missing coper plating. No scratches and the copper plating edges stand perfectly erect. Had the been ground or filed it would be impossible for someone to create this coin without leaving tool marks. NGC graded the coin (AU bent) but made no remarks about the missing copper on some of the coin surface.
     

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  3. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Hi Truss...Welcome to CT!

    What you have there is a coin that was lost in a washing machine caught between the fixed and spinning drum. The copperplate is worn away leaving that appearance. I've made many such specimens doing the laundry.
     
  4. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    That is damaged, no doubt about it. Notice how it is on the highest points of the design? That's because whatever rubbed through the plating only hit the high points.
     
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  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It’s definitely damaged. Probably by a clothes dryer.
     
  6. robec

    robec Junior Member

    The unplated Lincolns were struck without the plating.

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  7. trussxx1

    trussxx1 New Member

    Sorry NGC disagrees with the altered Coin opinion. They graded the coin AU details (bent)
     

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  8. trussxx1

    trussxx1 New Member

    Sorry NGC disagrees with the altered Coin opinion. They graded the coin AU details (bent)
    Sorry NGC disagrees with the altered Coin opinion. They graded the coin AU details (bent)
     

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  9. trussxx1

    trussxx1 New Member

    Sorry NGC disagrees with the altered Coin opinion. They graded the coin AU details (bent)
     

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  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    No one said the coin was altered. We said it was damaged and NGC agrees.
     
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  11. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    I also do nickels, dimes, and quarters. IMG_1048.jpeg IMG_1047.jpeg
     
  12. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    I don't see where anyone here said "altered". Just because NGC says "bent" does not mean it doesn't have other damage. If a coin has multiple issues they don't list all of them, just what they feel are the most significant. What is pictured is damage with 100% certainty.
     
  13. trussxx1

    trussxx1 New Member

    I called NGC and spoke with customer service representative about the definition of the (AU bent) grade. They said it does not mean the coin is damaged or altered. AU means (almost uncirculated.) Bend is not a description they use to say the coin was damaged, it means bent. That was the customer services response. (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1983-d-us-mint-copper-plating-error.408549/)
     
  14. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    Wait… bent doesn’t mean bent?
     
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  15. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    I really can't see what you are getting at here. No one here said it was altered, it is damaged. Bent is damaged, the surface scratched off is damaged. There is no way for this to have happened during the minting process. If a coin has multiple types of damage, they don't always list all of them, just what they feel is the most significant. Send it off to PCGS, they may identify all the different types of damage it has sustained.
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I don't believe that NGC said that bent was not damage. You did not understand what they told you.
     
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  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    NGC may have put BENT on the label but bent is damaged. Bent is bent but not damaged? You totally misunderstood what they are saying.
     
  18. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It's a problem some have with denial....
     
  19. trussxx1

    trussxx1 New Member

    Maybe you have a problem with denial in the face of facts:
    To all the naysayers: The term Bent NGC used in describing my 1983 D (AU Details Bent). This is the definition from NGC terminology "BENT - Coins are simply that — they show a non-mint-made curvature when viewed on end." it has nothing to do with the authenticity of the coin. As for the term Damaged: DAMAGED - A catchall term used when the coin displays any form of destructive contact that may not be defined more precisely. DAMAGE (OBV) - When the obverse of a coin displays any form of destructive contact that may not be defined more precisely. DAMAGE (REV) - When the reverse of a coin displays any form of destructive contact that may not be defined more precisely. I assume I do not have to provide a explanation of "AU Details" NGC website https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6434/ (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1983-d-us-mint-copper-plating-error.408549/#post-24812828)
     
  20. trussxx1

    trussxx1 New Member

    To all the naysayers: The term Bent NGC used in describing my 1983 D (AU Details Bent). This is the definition from NGC terminology "BENT - Coins are simply that — they show a non-mint-made curvature when viewed on end." it has nothing to do with the authenticity of the coin. As for the term Damaged: DAMAGED - A catchall term used when the coin displays any form of destructive contact that may not be defined more precisely. DAMAGE (OBV) - When the obverse of a coin displays any form of destructive contact that may not be defined more precisely. DAMAGE (REV) - When the reverse of a coin displays any form of destructive contact that may not be defined more precisely. I assume I do not have to provide a explanation of "AU Details" NGC website https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6434/ (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1983-d-us-mint-copper-plating-error.408549/#post-24812828)
     
  21. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Just call it damaged and don't worry about it.
     
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