Lion, Cheronessos

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TJC, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Here a recent purchase I wanted to run by you all. I have no reason to suspect this coin of being a fake but I know that this type too often is. It is a higher end coin than I don't usually come by. I could not resist:))

    Thrace, Cheronessos. BC 386-338
    AR Hemidrachm. 2.48 Grams. 13.5 mm
    O: Forepart of lion rt, head left
    RX: Quadripartite incuse square, pellets in opposite sunken quarters
    Well struck, high relief with light toning

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  3. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I hope it is OK, I am not great at spotting fakes, although I would be slightly bothered about the lack of wear. See what the experts say.
     
  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The fabric and style look perfectly fine to me, dimensions look fine. I'm no expert on these coins, but it looks good to me. I recently had this one, a scarcer variety with pentagram.

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  5. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    I've handled a fair number of these. I've learned never to make absolute pronouncements about authenticity from photos, but I'm pretty confident this is OK.
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Agree. I have a few, but here is one like yours, obviously with much more wear:
    Cherronesos 3.jpg
    THRACE AR Hemidrachm
    OBVERSE: Forepart of lion right, head turned back
    REVERSE: Quadripartite incuse square, a pellet in each of the two sunken quarters Struck at Cherronesos, 400-350 BC
    2.16g, 12mm
    SNGCop 824, BMC 8
     
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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    If the lion is centered, they're still quite attractive when worn. At NYINC this year, I looked through a hoard of several hundred. I was surprised at how poorly they were made, most of them being struck weakly and severely off-center. And most were heavily worn and many damaged. Previously I had only seen "nice" ones for sale, but from what I saw of that hoard, there are at least a hundred ratty coins for every collectible one. They were obviously produced hastily and en masse for prodigious amounts of commerce.
     
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  8. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I only have the one, but it is pretty.
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Recent goings on on this list made me swear off giving opinions on authenticity any more but I agree with Volodya and hope this is good. I have all of this type coin I intend to buy. The hobby is more fun buying coins with fewer questions but we will still make a mistake now and then.
     
  10. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for your replies! And sharing your examples:) This the second of this type that I have. This one being the better of the two. I am loving the high relief, centering and detail.

    I believe the coin is real and the seller whom I also trust as knowledgeable and trustworthy would refund if there was a problem. Your opinions are always appreciated. I fully get the difficulty of determining authenticity in an online forum. Even in hand authenticity can be hard to determine. Yet I am amazed it some of fakes you all uncover and consider you all a quality resource that I would be silly not to utilize:)
     
  11. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Is mine ok? I bought it from a certain Steven Battelle. Is anyone familiar with him?
    Lion Cherronesos Thrace Hemidrachm.jpg
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Yes, I have bought from him. I was satisfied.
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice capture @TJC ! Nice Lion!

    Mine's a bit worn, but has a treasure map...

    Cherronesos AR Hemi-Drachm - TriObol Seaby-Sear Vol I 1606 Obv-Rev.jpg
    Cherronesos AR Hemi-Drachm - TriObol Seaby-Sear Vol I 1606

    X marks the spot, and a jug of wine is the treasure! (or... with the pellet, it is an Ancient version of the Jolly Roger!)
     
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  14. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Looks OK to me too.

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    Thrace, Chersonesos (386 - 338 B.C.)
    AR Hemidrachm
    O:Forepart of lion right, head reverted.
    R: Quadripartite incuse square with alternating raised and sunken quarters; pellet to left of VE monogram and pentagram above pellet in opposite sunken quarters.
    13mm
    2.4g
    BMC 43; McClean –; Weber 2422; SNG Copenhagen –; SNG Dreer 115.
     
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