Speaking of fakes...

OK, I'm no expert on any of this nor do I claim to be one (but willing to learn). All I know is the place offers NGC certification services, formal appraisal services, as well as, authentication services, has been in business for 50+ years so I'm not going to argue who does what and just going to trust them when they tell me that a coin is fake or not, as they seem to know what they are doing.

 

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In the ancient area of collecting, NGC and slabbing in general is a very contentious issue. There are threads on this forum regarding NGC and authentication of ancients.

Hidden in the small print, if you check the website, is a statement that they do NOT authenticate ancient coins. Slabbed or otherwise.

Your guy may be very knowledgeable, but if he is willing to authenticate a coin, I will bet it is not backed up by NGC.

A link to their website and the paragraph....

https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/ngc-guarantee/

This Guarantee does not apply to coins submitted for the following specialty services and encapsulated with their respective labels: NGC Ancients, NGC Certified Gold, NGC Authenticated Bullion und NGC Shipwreck Certification, which are subject to guarantees specifically applicable to those services.

 

You probably should be more careful about your posts. I've sent copies of some of this thread to NGC. I'm sure they'll be very interested to contact this "NGC expert in MI that issues certificates."

 

From MoCKbu4's followup post, I suspect what he meant is the dealer arranged submission (mailing) of coins to NGC for encapsulation.

 

That's fine if you want to waste people's time regarding unverified online posts.

 

Already wasted Hopefully, he turns out to be just an NGC submission center dealing with an ....

 

I assume that this probably is the case, it was mentioned when I first showed up at the store that the coins can be NGC certified for X amount of money to which I politely mentioned that I prefer my coins to be free of slabs. I asked whether the coins could simply be authenticated and, after receiving a confirmation, proceeded with just that. I have been doing it since (5-6 months now) and these guys came across MANY fakes saving over $2k for me in the process, as well as, successfully confirming authenticity on many more. I apologize if I confused or offended anyone but I'm still learning all the intricacies of ancient Numismatics. Also, pls keep in mind that English is my third language (after Russian and German)

 

@MoCKBu4

Please post a sharper & darker image so we can see what the NGC Expert/ ancient coin dealer saw.

 

Hmm. Well, I don't have a microscope and (to my knowledge) don't have any pressed coins, but I gather than it is indeed possible to detect a pressed vs. struck coin with microscopic exam.

The only reason I/we are asking more questions is that the dealer from whom you purchased the coin might have the same questions, although perhaps he'll just avoid further hassles and take the coin back.

 

YES, YES, YES

 

What? As a well respected ancient collector? I'll bet you'll get more fun out of a used high quality Nikon or B&L scope than adding another coin to your collection.

 

LOL

 

Sorry the coin is on its' way back to the seller.

@TIF
Judging from the fact that there was no questioning from the seller and the fact that someone earlier on this thread had a similar experience with the same seller, I presume that it's safe to say that the "NGC expert" (TM) was correct.

 

Better safe than sorry. You need to be comfortable with your coins.

 

TIF's suggestion that the Ann Arbor dealer simply accepts NGC submissions is almost certainly correct. Your post seems needlessly belligerent in response to an imprecise but harmless formulation.

 

It's not the formulation that I was replying to but rather the needlessly menacing form of the post, as if I did something terribly wrong.

 

Thank you very much. Sue me for my needlessly belligerent response.

Let's just say I'm a friend of all the TPGS's and keep an eye out for misinformation.

 

"I'll bet you'll get more fun out of a used high quality Nikon or B&L scope than adding another coin to your collection."
Without the needless overtones, I certainly agree with this one. There is no need for a high quality scope to see and enjoy. What is needed is a stereo microscope of the quality sold on eBay for relatively low prices. Mono (2D) scopes including those with binocular eyepieces are much less useful and much less fun usually being too powerful to give a good overview of the clues to be seen.

There is nothing wrong with dealers providing a submission service to NGC and nothing wrong with such dealers telling their customers that it is their opinion that a coin is likely to come back as a fake. What is wrong is if that dealer is looking at the coin and providing an opinion that the coin is certified in any way by NGC. A dealer who mails off coins to NGC could be as expert as Mssrs. Vagi and Murphy but that dealer's opinions are in no way NGC. If he is suggesting that he speaks for NGC, I would like to see how NGC feels about that representation. I suspect there are a thousand people out there whose authenticity opinions would agree with those of NGC on 99% of coins they see (grading agreement would be less). They must limit themselves to offering their opinions in their own name without insinuations that they are more than just that.

Please be aware of a wonderful feature of Coin Talk software. If you click on a member's name the box that appears includes an option to Ignore. Selecting this will remove posts from that person from your future displays. I encourage those of you who find me or someone else posting here offensive to make use of this feature.

 

If "MORE CAREFUL ABOUT YOUR POSTS" came off as menacing, you truly have my sympathy and apology. I forgot that post "The Greatest Generation" Americans are different. You want menacing...You should have been in a nun's with a ruler classroom!

You'll get over it.

PS I emailed my contact at NGC to say it was just posted by some "newbie" who had no clue what an NGS submission center was.

 

"I'll bet you'll get more fun out of a used high quality Nikon or B&L scope than adding another coin to your collection."
I do not understand why my attempt to quote the above using the usual utility failed in my previous post.