Double die?!

Tip: when looking for LWC DDRs, a quick look at the dots in EPU you notice that they will look elongated relative to the class of doubling. The link Rick provided illustrates this well. Look at the different attributions and then at your specimen to align with a variety listing.

 

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Seriously, a dot? Tell me something. If it didn't have a "PR-2-R-II-C (3)" or other such label on it, would you even be impressed? What error collector in their right mind is going to be impressed by something like this, an "elongated dot," but for Variety Vista giving it a buildup? But, like I said, this is the only tool these crackpots got, everything looks like a "doubled die" to them. And besides all that, "ellipsoidal dot" is the proper numismatic terminology, here, not "elongated dot." "Ellipsoidal" properly describes all these dots. You don't believe it, just look at them, then tell me I'm wrong! Microscope that can spot amoeba living in a glass of water required...

 

Coneca is the hardest of all the variety companies to get a variety on their site they don't screw around with a small stuff and you should already know that

 

Eddie - we are so close to the weekend…woossaa!

Fair enough, many of these minor and very minor DDOs and DDRs struggle to deserve an attribution. I suppose that if we looked hard enough under super magnification, we’d have an incredible number of new attributions. Would these be any more or less meaningful? It depends on the target audience.

My take, adding attributions fills a need for the most discriminating variety hunter. It sets up a target that many others will never notice or wonder about. It can appear silly to less discriminating variety hunters…even overwhelming. Regardless, it serves a different audience.

I recall a point where I was sifting dozens of single squeeze doubled dies, another favorite of yours. After hours of attempting to attribute specimens only to find a stream of digits and letters hadn’t been published, I began to realize that as common as these are that there may never be an attribution. Of course, value is nearly unaffected by such a minor doubling. Anyway, I toss these into random containers while others painstakingly look for attributions. Both approaches are correct.

Lastly, I see many listed items that for the life of me, I just don’t see it. These are the frustrating ones for me. I’m drawn in and left scratching my head. If that’s the output, I wish it wasn’t listed. There are better ways to spend my time.

 

It's also "doubled" not double die.

 

What irritates me is that the modern coins from a singly carved die that strikes the planchet a single time should never be called a doubled die as there was only one strike by one die, there is no double anything in the production of that coin. But you see them in all the websites as a doubled die. For reputation, income, URL visits, etc.? It is misleading to say the least!! It has in my opinion drastically reduced the value of TRUE Doubled Die coins. IMO, Jim

 

Interesting thoughts. I mentioned something similar to Eddie in a PM. While to your point (and Eddie’s too) the doubling is not traditional. But it is made in the production of dies. The conical shape and contact/equipment deviations create the irregularities in the impressions. Some irregularities look like traditional doubling…most do not.

Regarding motivations, especially for the minor/very minor attributions, they may be less than authentic. I have also wondered about this.

 

I wouldn't mind them being called ( "irregularities" - possibly rare) at all, except they would not sell well. Colleges are going similarly , paying big bucks to be awarded fancy honors of their making, and banners and rewards, so the parents will pay more for degrees. Sadly, Jim

 

Yeah, I kind of thought I was hitting on something calling them irregularities or perhaps anomalies. Then again I recall discussing this a while back and conceding that it was doubling of a different nature but doubling just the same. For me, I lean one way when observing an extra LMC column but the other way with doubling of MONTICELLO on a modern nickel.

 

Small treasures. Could send new collector on a lifetime D/D chase

 

Oh that is so beautiful

 

That is so true. Slim pickings.

 

It is what it is

 

Oh that was brilliant. Hoping everyone reads this one.

 

I sent you a PM about this.

 

I think the biggest problem with the single squeeze hubbing people refuse to understand the process of the dies being made they have been stopped and then restarted there's your doubled die I know some of you guys refuse to acknowledge this but that's okay people that are heavily into this already know this it's been stated by the variety experts that have been at the mint

Carry on ....

 

Read this article over and over and over
https://www.lincolncentforum.com/fo...queeze-hub&s=4238abf7dee70a62bc8712b8bdef306d

 

"I think the biggest problem with the single squeeze hubbing people refuse to understand the process of the dies being made they have been stopped and then restarted there's your doubled die I know some of you guys refuse to acknowledge this but that's okay people that are heavily into this already know this it's been stated by the variety experts that have been at the mint"

-->Since the single squeeze is supposedly computer controlled, it must be the person who designs and programs the computer when to move, cut, etc. that is beyond his/her ability. If the James Webb telescope builders can program such exacting photographs and computer control from the earth ,but the mint can't make dies that are not damaged (SS)? in person~~~ "Purge the mint employees !!"

"it's been stated by the variety experts that have been at the mint" Well yeah, it means more income for those that list and sells them.
IMO. Jim

 

Interesting read and that was back in 2019!