I think this one surprised both the Seller and TPG- 1873-CC Trade$...

A friend notified my Group of this listing (never mind the title):




Interesting it was noted as "NOT ENCAPSULATED RESIDUE, CLEANED".

TPG on-line cert; non-slabbed coins have no images:



Listing images of the listed example; we can only assume it is the example submitted for grading:




Key date, PCGS CoinFacts had some stats on these; noted only the type 1 reverse was used.




So, this apparently was missed by both!

Seller ended the auction and responded as follows:



Best, Jack.

 

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Another one bites the dust, thanks Jack!

 

Go get ‘‘em brother. Good catch. Just the fact that it’s not slabbed is enough to quit

 

That’s a type 2 reverse. I spotted that instantly. No berry in claw. Total bad fake. Whole coin looks wrong anyway

 

Any Trade expert able to tell me what date/ variety this is based on this reverse and mintmark?

 

No expert but poking around PCGS both 1876 and 1877 have mint mark positions that look close. I'd bet on 1877-CC since it's the cheapest. The gouges around the MM make me wonder if it's been added though...

 

Great help as always @KBBPLL ! The "D" looks the same as well:

 

I'm perplexed. It doesn't look like a counterfeit to my eyes. So then I wonder if it's a sandwiched fake. But that doesn't make sense - you could quadruple the value of your 1873-P, but you'd have to destroy a valuable 1877-CC to do it.

 

We need to look for more!

 

Have you considered that the certificate may not go with the coin? The coin and cert are loose so how do we know? Presumably one of the key points here is that NGC authenticated it but that doesn't seem certain to me. Are there other tells that the coin is fake, other than the wrong reverse type?

 

I stated it is an assumption the coin goes with the label; I have asked if there is any other documentation.

Not sure which obverse to compare it to- this may be as good as any...

 

Looks like the 1877 C-1.2 in the Coxe book "The United States Trade Dollar Challenge 50 Set" p. 87.
Pretty ludicrous fake with a T2 rev, egg on the NGC face just noting some "problems" without stating the obvious. D'oh!

 

Interested in any images from that book/ page @ksparrow !