MS 1909 VDB Lincoln Wheat Cent

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by wheelz, Aug 21, 2023.

  1. wheelz

    wheelz Member

    Well, I found this one:

    US Lincoln Cent 1909 VDB #1 Obverse.jpg

    US Lincoln Cent 1909 VDB #1 Reverse.jpg

    Does this have enough of the original color to be considered RB? Also I'm struggling to find much in the way of faults with this one but the coloring makes it hard. I'm pretty sure this is MS... I'm thinking at least MS65 but could it be higher? I'm not really seeing any significant hits... What do you think and why? Thanks!
     
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  3. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    Nice coin! A woodie too. Nice wood grain effect (improper metal mix) on both sides.
     
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  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll guess 63 or 64. Nice coin.
     
  5. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    It looks cool. I don't think there's enough red left to be called RB if graded. I think it's too far past.
     
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  6. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Nice V.D.B.

    AU55

    Too much circulation wear on Lincoln's face to be MS. IMHO
     
  7. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    AU 50 llike said above too much wear on the face.
     
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  8. wheelz

    wheelz Member

    Quite the spread in opinions on the grade - 50 to 64... What wear are you seeing? I see that the lines in the beard don't go all the way up but I was assuming that was in the strike of the coin since I saw some in the MS photogrades that were like that as well.
     
  9. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Cheekbone, ear, jawline, shoulder, lapel.....
     
  10. wheelz

    wheelz Member

    I have been trying to look for "flattened" areas for wear vs lighter definition that still has contours for quality of strike. On this one I thought it was the latter. Is that not correct? If not then, where am I going wrong on trying to differentiate between wear vs strike?
     
  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm not seeing wear. I'm seeing haze from something across Lincolns face. Maybe PVC. I would give it a bath in acetone.
     
  12. wheelz

    wheelz Member

    Very well could be. It is one that was / is in a hard plastic case.
     
  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Just a suggestion, no disrespect intended. You have the coin in hand, we see the photos on a video screen from as small as a cell-phone to that of a large TV. All we ca do is say what we see, it is not intended as a reflection on you or your coin. We are trying to help the best we can. No one here or there will know what grade will be given by which grader. If you are unsure on expected grades, I suggest sending them first to Insider at ICG where the grading is inexpensive compared to the others, see pricing below. You can email Insider here as he is a member. He has irritated me a few times by seeing things I didn't, but he is almost always right!!

    from Insider on forum pricing
    "Unfortunately - now $12 but now a $3 savings per coin. Return Postage went up to $25 for 1-10 coins and $30 for 11-20 coins."

    Jim
     
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  14. wheelz

    wheelz Member

    No offense taken and I get it. I'm really only looking to get an estimate on the grade to guage whether it is worth professional grading or if not, something to base value off of. I hope I am not coming off too sharp in my responses. My communication style tends to be direct but there isn't any negativity behind it. When I ask the detailed questions on why, it is just because I'm trying to learn more and if I'm not seeing it then I want to know what I'm missing. I appreciate all the feedback and am looking for the truth, not just what is favorable to me. When there are differing opinions like this though, I like to get more info to see what makes sense to me, is all.
     
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  15. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Almost all of us have been through similar learning situations. It is multiple times easier to see ( due to angles of light hitting the coin) things on the coin as we tilt it that we didn't when shown flat on a screen. Also many have differing amounts of time in to coins, some a few days and some many decades and our brains judge them differently as comparisons. We may see a coin as MS65 but a prof. grader as AU58. Early learning is always difficult. Jim
     
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  16. wheelz

    wheelz Member

    I'll just pull out my 3d scanner with light kit in that case... j/k, those are still pretty expensive. ;)
     
  17. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is an MS-65, Red. These coins were made from fresh dies. Lincoln should have sharp details. The OP is a lower end AU grade coin.

    1909 VDB O.jpg 1909 VDB R.jpg
     
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