Hidden Images on Cents/Coins

The proof of Hidden or Blatant Images, as with Hidden Image Art, is within the eye of the beholder, and the creator or artist. You are only viewing two examples (E PLURIBUS UNUM) of many. Eventually people will accept this. If a large group of coins all have basically the very same image, then that would not be caused by the metal movement you speak of, at least to the extent of identical images.

 

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Please show us a few that have the very same image.

 

I’m very sure the topic can be never ending…. You have danced and moved goalposts with each piece of evidence presented against you. A lifetime pursuit indeed, in search of that answer that is always just out of reach because it isn’t there.

you’ve been asked for information about how in the minting process these images would have been applied. You responded you didn’t know and essentially were not interested in that. That’s step one to understanding what you’re looking at. Explain how the images are applied showing up on some coins in a year but not on others. Until the process for producing the images is explained they remain nothing but pareidolia.

 

If you have a dolia and your best friend gives you a dolia for your birthday, what do you have?

Pareidolia..............................................

 

The Illuminati and their extraterrestrial overlords have been placing subliminal images on our coins, fishing licenses, and TV Guides since time immemorial. Only the most astute can spot them; most of the human race cannot.

Being a dimwit, I neither see nor care about such images; I assume those who do are nitwits until proven otherwise.

 

I'll follow the discussion, but don't intend to post much more...

 

A blessing on your head !!!!!

 

@desertgem …. Is there a genteel way like that of saying a pox on your house? Asking for a friend…

 

I don't really have time to do that right now because I have to rely on others not physically nearby, to do the pic transfers etc. I do the microscopy and as an example, years ago I purchased and opened a $50 bag of Memorial cents and upon searching it I located multiple DDO's. The bag itself came from FL and was quite dirty and discolored on the outside. Upon viewing the contents, the majority of coins had sheared off details as though someone had used the bag as a punching bag. In addition to that, nearly every coin also had serious environmental damage so perhaps this was stored in a garage near the ocean salt air. Still, the DDO's had the very same DDO detail as each other, at least on the ones that were not sheared off. That is how I would explain the detail on the coin herein with the bear in the Memorial Building. Every one is near identical, barring bag marks, mint cleaning spots, etc. Hope this is helpful, but I am stacked with VA and other doctor appointments for myself and my wife, through the end of August, so it would be a long delay before I could make the arrangements and provide what you ask. I do see the reasoning for your request and think it would be a good idea. Perhaps later I can provide these pics for you. I have personally searched near a million coins or more since the mid-70's so this isn't something that I just started. Thanks

 

Sorry, every reasonable request for you to justify your claims have been met with avoidance, obfuscation and excuses. Not a great way to try and persuade anyone to align to your "theory".

 

I'm sorry but I thought this might be an objective site where people might try to work together for the benefit of the numismatic community, rather than to be put posting parties on trial whereby each response is an observation "against" them. My how the industry has changed. RESPECT? Yes, I have explained to the best of my knowledge how these images might have occurred:

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The topic of Hidden and/or Blatant Images is a diversion from traditional error/variety collecting so there are some differences as well as some parallels within this category.

Once you know what and where to look for a given image, you will be able to mostly identify them with a 10X loupe, but to fully appreciate detail it helps to use more power if one desires. I used blown-up magnified pics in hopes most people would be able to recognize the images portrayed, but some still do not while others do -- that's because they are "Hidden" just like in Hidden-Art.

The category of Hidden and/or Blatant Images is nearly new to numismatics but these do not clearly fall into the category of errors but do touch on varieties. Some are Master Hub similar to DDO's, etc., and some pertain only to a single die or even only a portion of that die's useful production life. Many RPM's, OMM's, etc., come from single use dies if they are noticed by mint personnel and many are then removed from the die, slightly defaced, or the die is discarded or sent for other re-use.

I do not believe the US Mint was aware of these images when they were created and used, and that they were probably clandestinely placed there by one or more very talented individuals. The original designs for coins are chosen and then eventually a hub is crafted and sculpted from the design. This then is all approved by higher-ups and they begin making the master dies, which make the working hubs and then working dies which then make the coins.

Since the images are "Hidden" they are not readily seen by anyone other than their creator(s), who then probably follow their work to the eventual finished coin to see how their images survived the processes. It appears that on Lincoln Cents they may have discovered this just prior to the anniversary changes that brought on the Union Cent designs. Those new designs are so plain that it would be very hard for anyone to incorporate Hidden Images onto them with the possible exception of the neck-bow-tie which somewhat resembles a Teddy Bear at certain angles.

If you study our two pics, the first pic is that made from a single die and in reality shows the entire Kodiak Bear within the Memorial Building, but our pic only shows the head. The angular photography required for these pics is very difficult because often portions of the pic vary within the strength of magnification so that zeroing in on a portion of a given image might then weaken other parts of the image.

This has very little to do with flow lines since the images that occur from the Master Hubs/Dies such as the Naked Venus in the second pic, all have the identical Hidden Images within them which vary very little if at all, from coin to coin and in some cases year to year. The Bear pic also varies very little from coin to coin but is much scarcer as it is made from only a single use die and perhaps only a small time during the use of that die. Thanks
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So I assume these Hidden Images were clandestinely placed on the Master Hubs/Dies and/or some individual dies. Since even on those placements the details are so well integrated with the overall coin design that even those officials who approved the designs did/do not thoroughly or microscopically examine the sculptures, hubs, or dies, or even the coins produced, to look for such Hidden Images. Why would they have even suspected such things as there was never ever a prior instance noticed?

This is my assumption but nobody really knows for certain at this point and short of an admission by existing or prior Mint personnel, we may never know. One way to find out might be to have the bulk of the numismatic community begin to somewhat agree and reveal/inquire of the Mint as to how or what caused these Hidden Images to have been placed into the coin-making processes back then?

In my mind I classify the images that are from a single die as "Blatant Hidden Images" while the ones that stem from Master Hubs/Dies are simply "Hidden Images". Each subsequent revelation then reinforces that these do exist, just like it did for recognized DDO's, RPM's, etc., which also have been produced from both Master Hubs/Dies as well as individual Dies. Further study of other denominations may or may not reveal the need for further study of them.

Hope this helps -- Thanks

 

First off, I am not here to necessarily persuade anyone, but simply to reveal "cut and dried" findings that objective, open-minded people might be interested in. I try to answer reasonable questions within the limits of my knowledge and abilities. If you have specifics beyond those already here, please advise which "reasonable requests" have been avoided, obfuscated, or unreasonably excused? Thanks

 

So the oddity was placed on the dies by unknown personnel either of the mint or ghostly invisible workers. These DDOs or DDRs then are not original die produced items, but altered ones and thus as fake as Chinese CC Morgans. If acceptable by PCGS and/or NCG or ICG as true varieties, then I would have to apologize and would do so. Otherwise it is just a mental thing as many have mentioned..

 

Without photos I can comment no further.

 

Until we know more, that is the assumption. Why would you say that about DDO's or DDR's as they are also produced by the dies in similar fashion as the Hidden Images. Just as the Mint likely did not know about these, so too the mass public, including third party grading services as yet. I was told by an expert attributor that he could not assign a number or anything to these since there is no accepted category to place these into. The Third Party Graders mostly rely on already published research data by existing attributors so there is a catch-22, danged if you do and danged if you don't. One of the purposes for posting these is to take a step in that direction but this is turning into climbing a huge mountain. I certainly could provide much more info but will not do so to a closed mind audience. I don't mind be roasted a bit, but my record and research in this regard is more than simply a pic or two. Just have to find a better means to convey this. Thanks.

 

P.S. A responder was commenting on how Hidden Images were first discovered on Mexican coins and how they were first, but we were second and thus claiming that that was backwards. See here: https://www.error-ref.com/hidden-initials-and-symbols/ It seem sometimes that comments get twisted and convoluted so that others reading them draw or express discombobulated conclusions. That is why I replied yes, but we were the first on the moon.

 

Pics photos are in the initial post on page 1

 

You have had more than enough time to open our minds. Members have ask for your proof and you have not offered anything. If you ever find the time to do so, we will be here.

 

K - Thx.

 

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