Where would you grade this '85 Carson City?

Only concern with the coin besides the angle of photos is the hit on the breast is found on a lot of fakes, but other than that, where would you grade this puppy?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126025549151?

 

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It's not possible to grade the coin from those images. I think the coin is counterfeit.

 

Let it go is my opinion.

 

Those pics are terrible so you really can't tell if there is signs of a cleaning or if it's authentic. That said, I would say it has VFish details based on the photos.

I would pass on it.

 

INDEED!!

 

It seems like you've been posting a long string of auctions for really questionable Morgans. What's your goal here? Are you just bargain-hunting (I can relate), or trying to hone your skills for weeding out bad coins (also a worthy goal)?

 

He posts these threads all the time here and on the PCGS forum. Some are questionable coins and others are toners. I'm never sure what the point is because he does not come back to comment on the threads.

 

That's one reason I asked directly.

 

I doubt we will hear back. Even when asked directly, it does not seem to work.

The closest I have seen to a reply was one time when he posted my coin in a thread like this. I pointed that out in the thread and he sent me a message asking if the price was firm. I replied saying there was room and gave a lower number but never heard back from him.

Edit: I found the thread about that coin of mine and he actually made a comment in that thread (on page 4)...so there was one instance of a reply in a thread!

 

When it's a coin like that they don't post pictures like that. Were it genuine and I were selling it I'd be breaking my back to post good pictures.

 

At VF it's a $600 coin. Why would one post these kind of pictures if they weren't hiding something.

 

It's possible they don't know how to take good photos. Coins can be hard to photograph...look at 90% of the coin photos posted on CT. Looking at their other auctions and past sales shows that this person doesn't sell many coins.

That said, poor photos will turn off a lot of buyers and hurt what the coin sells for (or if it sells or how fast). With the value of this one, I would get better at my photography.

 

I've seen more convincing pictures of the Loch Ness Monster.

 

Pretty bad pictures but can still see the telltale sign of a counterfeit on the reverse eagle breast.

 

Walk away and don't look back! Good luck.

 

It looks fake, just like the seller's 1894 Morgan. They're perfectly capable of taking better pictures. Look at some of the stamps being sold.

 

Given the bad pictures, my response is "Run, Forest, run!" Bad photos are the hallmark of pervors of counterfeits.

The 1885-CC silver dollar is very hard to find in the circulated grades. Most all of the survivors are Mint State. When I was a dealer, I had a customer who was building a circulated set of Morgan Dollars. He didn't want an Unc. 1885-CC despite the fact that the circulated examples sell for almost as much as the Mint State pieces.

I finally found found one, but it cost $200 when a low end Uncs. were selling for $210.

 

What did you charge him for a circulated 98-O?

 

I don’t know that we ever got to that one. He had friend who was bringing to coins to him. One day the friend to me that he had passed on. The friend was a very honest person belonged to one of the Boston area clubs, when I lived there.

 

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