Reproductions or Counterfeits ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pilgrim-Com...300051?hash=item3ac53e5653:g:FbIAAOSwmtJXV1kP

I came across this auction by chance and was wondering if these coins were reproduced? The seller is offering several different pendant coins that to my untrained eyes look pretty real. I didn't think you could reproduce coins unless they were marked copy. I'm not making any accusations about this seller or anyone else I'm asking strictly for educational reasons. Thanks

 

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Did you only read the title?
Here's your education:
Always read the item description!
Now go do what I told you to do and report back with what it says.

 

I did read the whole thing, thus my question reproduction or counterfeit. How do you tell? And where do you draw the line? I'm not nearly as good as people on this forum at telling a counterfeit from a picture and these coins look pretty real to me the untrained.

 

I took a screen shot. Look carefully for the words 'Quality Reproduction'. There is your answer.

No, it's not legal, but it's done.

 

I'm being redundant I know, but if it's not legal why are they allowed to be sold on eBay? Couldn't someone buy it and pass it off to a non suspecting new collector or even someone like me who isn't as knowledgeable in commemorative series coins. I guess what I'm saying is just because you told me it was a reproduction what's to keep me from passing it off as original? Conscience yes but not everyone has that.

 

YES

But what high priced object hasn't been counterfeited copied in recent years ?
everything from high priced brands of purses, trucks, DVDs, cell phones, currency, watches, food (yes, think milk as an example), etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit_consumer_goods

If it seems to good to be true then it probably is.

If you look at authentic pictures you'll notice many differences, such as the location of the year stamp. ==> https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explor...ves-pscid-71/1920-pilgrim-50c-ms-coinid-19359
http://coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=1429

 

I don't understand the problem. It's a reproduction. It's advertised as a reproduction. The seller is not trying to mislead anyone.

 

I think the OP is confused that a "counterfeit" vs "reproduction" is still fake either way.

 

Nor did I accuse them of such. I guess I was trying to see where the line is crossed between counterfeit and copy. I guess it depends on who gets burned or maybe how bad.

 

You are comparing a 1920 to the 1921. The date is in the right place for a 21. (Yeah the auction calls it a 1920, but the date on the piece is 1921)

Two reasons one someone will eventually take it out of that bezel and resell it to someone that DOESN'T know it is reproduction for a lot of money. Two, because under the law it is ILLEGAL to sell an unmarked reproduction if it was made after 1973, even if you are selling it as a reproduction.

 

Thanks Condor that's what I was thinking but wanted to know if anyone in the community agreed.


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I looked at several of his offerings and couldn't see any obvious tells. Again I'm not an expert nor do I claim to be. They don't even look like cast copies. These look minted to me.


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Yeah, this listing needs to get removed

 

why?

He does say re-pro.

 

Irrelevant. See conder's post

 

Should be gonzo soon

 

He has 106 various counterfits disguised as jewelry listed. There is a fine line that one either crosses or does not and this guy went way over it polluting our market and hobby with this illegal junk. The OP is a prime example of why this crap has to go

 

A "counterfeit" and a "reproduction" are two entirely different things.
reproduction
noun re·pro·duc·tion \ rē-prə-ˈdək-shən\

• the act of copying something (such as a document, book, or sound)
• something that is made to look exactly like an original

counterfeit
adjective coun·ter·feit \ˈkau̇nt-ər-ˌfit\

• : made to look like an exact copy of something in order to trick people
• made in imitation of something else with intent to deceive

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

 

Then you get people who make counterfeit reproductions.
Or reproduce counterfeits.
or even attempt to make counterfeits, just really badly .. or is that a bad reproduction?

Who defines how "exact" a copy is ?
the counterfeiter or the person who purchases it thinking it's real, or doesn't ?

Either way, it was made to profit from a higher value article normally selling for much more than the reproduced item.