Never Say Never Again (Henry III) Part-2...No, not James Bond!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Sallent, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Well, I finally picked a coin that seller actually had in stock. Settled for a more expensive Henry III Penny (ie. a rarer one from Canterbury), but one with a killer provenance. Seller gave me a moderate discount and upgraded my shipping to Priority free of charge.

    Henry III Voided Long Cross Penny Walter Canterburry.jpg

    ENGLAND, Henry III (1216-1272), Penny, 1.32g., Voided Long Cross Coinage, Class 5g, (1251-1272), Walter - Canterbury, crowned facing bust of Henry, HENRICVS REX III, rev., voided long cross with trefoil of pellets in each angle, WALTER ON CANT, (N.997; S.1373), very fine.
    Ex Patrick Finn.
    Ex W. J. Conte Collection
    Ex J. J. North Collection
    (ticket included).
    Ex Glendinings Auction, June 15th, 1954, part lot 266.

    LOOK AT THAT PROVENANCE!!!:eek::greedy::wideyed:

    Ex Patrick Finn - Patrick Finn was a former director of Spink Auction House in the UK, a member of the British Numismatic Society, author/researcher on the topic of medieval English coins, and one of the preeminent dealers of medieval English coins in the UK. Patrick passed away in the year 2000 after collapsing at a coin show.

    Ex Dr. William J. Conte - William J. Conte was an American geneticist and one of the most preeminent world experts on Norman coinage. He amassed one of the largest and most complete collections of medieval English coinage, and when he passed away he donated a large portion of it to a museum for permanent display to the public.

    Ex J. J. North - J. J. North wrote the entire set of reference books for English hammered coins. He was one of the most accomplished numismatist writers in British history. So much so that the British Numismatics Society created an award in his honor, given in the form of medal to numismatists whose work contributes greatly to numismatics publication.

    Ex Glendinings Auction: June 15, 1954, Part lot 266 - I don't think this auction house is still in business as I have not been able to find anything recent, but it was a major auction house for things such as british coins, british service medals, british medallions, and other collectables of that nature.
     
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  3. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Ok, I take back everything I said. Love the coin and especially the provenance work. I re-award you the shaved hillbilly.

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  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A really great coin with an awesome provenance! Well done!
     
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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great coin and fantastic provenance. Here is mine, a Henry V minted about 200 years after yours.
    Henry V S. 1785.jpg
     
  6. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Those Henry III Pennies are really nice, and yes they are pretty pricey. Good to see you got one and at a discount.
     
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  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice to have that many folks for a provenance. Great coin too.
     
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  8. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Yes, but the problem is that the next person in the provenance list is some middling attorney from south Florida. That's going to be a huge letdown for whomever gets this coin in the future.

    Basically the provenance list now goes like this:
    1. Preeminent auction house
    2. Preeminent authority on English hammered coins and accomplished writer
    3. Preeminent authority on Norman coinage and renowned researcher,
    4. Renowned English hammered coins expert and dealer
    5. Ambulance chaser from South Florida :banghead::facepalm:

    I'm the oddball in what is otherwise an impeccable provenance list.
     
  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Ambulance chasers have their place in the world too!:cool:
     
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  10. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I don't have anything English from this period to contribute (for some reason I'm not really interested in this part of English history), but I have a couple of Italian coins from around this same era.

    Doge Reneiro Zeno, Republic of Venice
    AR grosh
    Obv: Christ enthroned, facing, wearing nimbus and holding book of gospels.
    Rev: RA CENO DVX - S M VENETI, doge standing left and receiving banner from Saint Mark standing right, holding book of gospels.
    Mint: Venice (struck 1253-1268)
    Ref: Gamberini 32; Biaggi 2775

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    (ok the following isn't quite contemporary to your coin but its kind of close)

    Gregory XI, Papal States
    AR bolognino
    Obv: ·S· PETRVS· P, mitred bust facing
    Rev: +DE·ROMA·, in center: ·V·R·B·I· in angles, in pattern of short cross
    Mint: Rome; struck 1370-1378
    Ref: Berman 209

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  11. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    ROFL!!

    I've told you before, and I'll remind you again, everyone gets their start somewhere. When you are a huge legal mogul running your own firm "Sallent, Sallent & That's Right Freakin' Sallent", buying $100,000 plus coins, remember I told you so. It's hard to see what things look like in the future from the starting line.

    A man of your passion and tenacity will win big in the world if you keep your head down and focused on what you want.
     
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  12. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I've been eyeing those Venice coins. They seem to go for reasonable prices at auction.
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I dunno. I'll bet if you look up the professions of the previous owners, there will be a bottom feeder somewhere in the mix.
     
  14. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Gorgeous coin Sallent! You don't often get such an expressive face on these coins, and the provenance is incredible! (I need J.J. north's book...). Here's mine:

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    England
    Henry III, r. 1216-1272 (1248-50)
    London Mint, AR Long Cross Penny, 18.28mm x 1.5 grams
    Obv.: ★hEnRICVS ReX:III'
    Rev.: nIC|OLE|ONL\VND (Nicole, London)
    Ref.: SCBC 1363 ; H3 Ref. LNNC3003

    If you are in to Henry III coins, check out The Long Cross Pennies of Henry III. The creator of the site is a some-time lurker here.
     
  15. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Gorgeous coin Sallent! You don't often get such an expressive face on these coins, and the provenance is incredible! (I need J.J. north's book...). Here's mine:

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    England
    Henry III, r. 1216-1272 (1248-50)
    London Mint, AR Long Cross Penny, 18.28mm x 1.5 grams
    Obv.: ★hEnRICVS ReX:III'
    Rev.: nIC|OLE|ONL\VND (Nicole, London)
    Ref.: SCBC 1363 ; H3 Ref. LNNC3003

    If you are in to Henry III coins, check out The Long Cross Pennies of Henry III. The creator of the site is a some-time lurker here.
     
  16. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Assuming this was in reference to my coin, yeah, that particular type can be relatively inexpensive. Mine was around $24 shipped.
     
  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Wow! I love it. Dang. I don't need another area of interest :( :D

    Looks like the problem of your initial choice being unavailable worked out for the best!!
     
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  18. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Agree with every word here.

    Congrats!
     
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  19. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Thank you all for the kind words.:happy:

    I'm probably going to focus on medieval coinage and Indo-Greek coinage for the next few months as I expand my collection into those areas.

    I promise I'll return to my recent focus on RR denarii and 3rd century Imperial silver soon enough, but I want to flesh out these new areas of interest first. If Indo-Greek and medieval are not your things though, then please accept my apologies ahead of time and don't mind my posts for the next few months.
     
  20. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Terrific @Sallent !!

    I'm with TIF and Zumbly---NOT yet another cool and interesting coin......
     
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  21. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Great coin and great provenance, Sallent. Sadly, I have nothing to show here as my medieval English hammereds are currently consigned with FORVM! I did have some nice coins with nice provenances; but I haven't bought an English coin since I became obsessed with the Roman Republic (over 4 years), so it seemed the right time to sell.
     
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