Selling Our Kennedy Halves Registry Sets

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by giorgio11, Jun 30, 2016.

  1. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    I have decided to sell all my Kennedy halves through Heritage. Most of the bigger coins will be in the September Long Beach sale. I am not getting any younger and am going to start drawing Social Security, so I have sold off everything but these coins, which were our favorite pursuit since 2007, when we bought a 1964-D in MS65 Prooflike pedigreed to Ken Bressett and the first day of issue. I have had too much money tied up in coins.

    I am glad to say that I think I have always treated every customer and numismatist I have encountered equitably and fairly (even though we have had occasional disagreements). I will keep my inexpensive website and continue to offer the occasional special coin but am getting out of actively buying and selling and doing shows. That's my current thinking, and certainly backed up by Mrs. VDB! Practically every time we do a show, we both wind up exhausted and come down with a cold or bronchitis or some other form of the crud. And we say to each other, why are we doing this? It's tough out there! Good luck to all.

    Best Regards, :happy:

    George
    http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/OtherSets.aspx?m=5942
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Hi, George!

    I'm curious about your 64-D which you said was a "First Day of Issue". I didn't know that the FDOI was attributed back then. Which company attributed the FDOI?

    TIA

    Chris
     
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  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    agreed.

    To my knowledge that was only one such item.

    It was done by a guy who got it that day, put it in an envelope & mailed it to himself that day, as a keepsake.

    I remember reading about this decades ago.
     
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  5. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    I heard of that story
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank



    ya see, I don't make EVERYTHING up.

    :)


    I just believe in Walter Breen, who, it is said, never met a fact that he couldn't make up.
     
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  7. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    The coin comes with a letter from Ken Bressett who picked up two rolls on the day they came out. The letter is signed by him and tells the story. It has nothing to do with Walter Breen or any certification companies. I bought it from Heritage years ago FUN 2007 and contacted Bressett who wrote a longer version of the story for me than that contained in the original Heritage lot description.
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    Perhaps you misread my post, I never inferred that it had anything to do with a cert service or Breen
     
  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't think that even a letter as such would hold water on a release over 50 years ago. My Father whom worked or the Federal Reserve came home the first day they were released with 2 rolls. (64P)
    He gave them out to family members as well as neighborhood kids.
    I still have a few of them......however dad is gone for many years now and even so ,a letter unless witnessed to me is just a letter that any one can write.
     
  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Was the letter witnessed and Notarized ? If not you have a word of mouth situation , and actually nothing in the eyes of the law.
     
  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    That's why God created forensics.........
     
  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Never knew God wrote, produced,and directed CSI
     
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  13. Caleb

    Caleb Active Member

    Wow! Cut the guy some slack.

    Ken Bressett is well known in the coin community and a letter from him would mean more to my then what a third party slabbing company put on its label.

    It is a coin with a story, no more and no less … “Was the letter witnessed and notarized?”, what a bunch of hog-wash. If you don’t like the story, don’t buy the coin, it is as simple as that.

    Sorry to hear that George is getting out or at least downsizing his collection, the competition in the Kennedy series has been fun over the years.
     
  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I am quite aware whom Ken Bressett is and have several items signed by him. The fact of the matter is there were no first released coins in 1964. The feds just pumped them out to the banks. And there were no third party graders so all of this is after the fact. And any one buying an item that is not documented is buying a pig in a poke! Felix Schlag issued 150 numbered autographed and Notarized plaques. They were done that way for a reason to prove they were legitimate . Anyone in any collectables business
    won't touch an item without the proper legal documentation.
     
  15. Caleb

    Caleb Active Member

    Well …….. what you type is a bunch of bologna. There was no first release of the Kennedy half dollar? How about March 24, 1964 from the Federal Reserve.

    Not sure what you mean by “And there were no third party graders so all of this is after the fact.” Or what a third party grader has to do with anything here. Maybe you are putting too much faith in labels like PCGS use of, “FIRST STIKES” which to me means nothing at all. But I have to wonder how many people buy, sell, collect or trade coins with these “FIRST STRIKE” labels and further I must wonder what “proper legal documentation” these labels have (but according to you, no one in any collectables business won't touch an item without the proper legal documentation)?

    In 1976, my dad went to the back and bought twenty new two dollar bills on the first day of issue, the notes have consecutive serial numbers. After he bought the two dollar bills, we went to the post office and bought 10 stamps, placed a stamp on the first and last five bills and the postmaster hand canceled the stamps. Even though the ten bills in the middle have no marking, as a group I believe it can be shown that they were all acquired on the first day of issue and no third party grader was needed.

    You collect what you like, but to me a letter from Ken Bressett would mean more to me then a “FIRST STRIKE” label from a third party grading company. I won't even get into all of the mis attributions the third party grading companies get into but I guess you would take them at face value. Sad, very sad.

    Like I said earlier, George has a coin with a story, no more and no less. If you have no interest in the coin or the story, fine but get off your high horse, Ken Bressett’s signature doesn’t have to be notarized or anything else. If the buyer wants to question the story he can either have the signature authenticated or not buy the coin. If Mr. Bressett said in writing that he bought the coin on March 24, 1964 and later on sent it into NGC for grading and it now sits in an NGC slab with serial number xxxxx – xxx, I see no problem.
     
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  16. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Best of Luck George! I'll miss our interactions not to mention some of the Great Coins you've sent me!

    I guess I need to get working on winning the Lottery between now and the September Long Beach!
     
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  17. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    Me too Lee, thanks a ton! And Caleb thanks for taking my side! Amazing how some people can impugn other people's integrity so casually hiding behind a keyboard.

    Best Regards,

    George
     
  18. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    George, will you have any misc. Kennedys to sell? I have a mid-range set but my 1983-p is a ms66 but not eye appealing. I havn,t seen any of these for sale that do have eye appeal. In the last few years, even the couple of 67,s I,ve seen aren,t very nice. Thank,s for all the fantastic info on the Kennedys...
     
  19. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    Unfortunately, no. Everything is at Heritage already. And my 83-P is also a 66. 67s are tough, as you doubtless know. But thanks for asking and good luck in your search.

    Best Regards, :happy:

    George
     
  20. TheMont

    TheMont Well-Known Member

    I have a PCGS Kennedy Silver Proof registry set. The only coin I need to have the number 1 set (actually tied with about a million other people for #1) is the 1964 PR69 DCAM. I have the 1964 PR69 Cam, but whenever I find someone selling the one I need, they want a fortune for it. I've offered to give them the Cam one I have as partial payment, but no go. It's frustrating to be one coin away from the best.

    I wonder why they won't include the 1965, 66, and 67 SMS set,, it all the mint put out and they tend to be proof like and are 40% silver. Same for thee 1968 through 70 proof sets that are 40% silver. Oh, well, it's their registry Set and I guess they can make their own rules.
     
  21. Caleb

    Caleb Active Member

    I think the set in the PCGS Registry you re referring to is the "Kennedy Half Dollars Basic Silver Set, Proof (1964, 1992-Present):" The theme of this set is Proof coins of ninety percent silver so the 1965 SMS, 1966 SMS, 1967 SMS, 1968-S, 1969-S, 1970-S and the 1976-S Silver proofs which are only forty percent silver are not included. The real question for PCGS is why the 1964 Proof Accented Hair and the 1998-S silver Mattie (both being ninety percent silver) are not included.
     
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