E Bay sellers beware

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Dynoking, Apr 17, 2022.

  1. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Excellent post . . . I like that word "bruited", by the way. A word I am not sure I have ever seen or heard before.
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I hope that $600 figure gets raised at some point. In my world, I should send out a 1099 to anyone I pay more that $600 to in a year. I pay more than that to the kid that mows for me each year. Same with the cleaning lady that helps me. I'm not going to send them a 1099 and have them pay taxes on what I paid them.
    Lets all hope for a change in the laws.
     
  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Stop before you get to 100% :)

    "It's 1 for you, 19 for me"
     
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  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    What do you define as "well paid"? If you are paying 30% on your AGI then your adjusted income is over $165,000.
     
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  6. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

  7. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    I’m guessing that a lot of what is sold on eBay (coins plus everything else) is sold at a technical loss. It was something bought in the past and is currently of no use to the seller, so it goes on eBay at a fraction of acquisition cost. With decent accounting, losses and gains on eBay may be reportable as business losses and gains rather than capital losses/gains on collectibles. This allows a host of business expenses to be deducted from what is sold.

    Given the shortage of IRS auditors, IRS will probably be very careful whom they audit … likely, high dollar sellers. They’ll probably find that if they audit smaller sellers who fail to include proceeds from a 1099K that they (the IRS) are losers when acquisition costs and other expenses are subtracted from sales proceeds.

    However, their automated system may notice that proceeds from a 1099K weren’t included on a return, and a letter asking for tax on the entire amount may be sent. Many folks may meekly pay it, whereas if they considered acquisition and other costs, the IRS might owe them money. If enough folks do proper accounting, IRS might not even check whether low dollar amount 1099K proceeds are included on returns. Why start an audit if they’re likely to lose money in the end?

    Cal
     
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  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator


    Indiscriminately auditing eBay sellers which do not report their eBay sales, the IRS won't "lose money", per se. It will waste resources, in the form of opportunity cost, but auditing a collector who sells for less than basis cost does not produce a tax refund or a tax credit because that is a hobby loss.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I have been wondering how this works. How do you do the math on this? Do you only report the coins you made a profit on and ignore those coins that you had a loss on?
     
  10. VistaCruiser69

    VistaCruiser69 Well-Known Member

    I think there are two separate covid relief stimulus funds we are talking about. There were those little ones that we automatically got in the mail for 1 - 2 years and then there are those that you have to specially apply for, such as mortgage relief, small business relief, etc.

    I received like three covid stimulus checks over the 1 - 2 year period of time and when I had my taxes done each year, the tax preparer specifically stated that ithese covid stimulus checks that I received automatically are not taxable.

    However, it may be that the covid stimulus checks that small business owners specifically applied for and received to help them through the situation may be taxable, and same with the covid stimulus checks used to pay mortgage that home owners specifically applied for and received. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.
     
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  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    As a hobbyist, I believe you still pay taxes only on the demonstrable profit based on substracting the the purchase price from the sales prices realized for coins sold each year. Ancillary costs, such as packaging supplies, grading services, related travel, costs of securing your coins, etc. may not defray your tax liability unless you manage to qualify as a business, rather than as a hobbyist.
     
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  12. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'm almost sure (as much as I'm ever sure about tax-code questions, which is "not that much") that you can offset things like grading costs, postage, and packaging supplies. If you try to write off the cost of your den or your home security system, then you're over the line.
     
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  13. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    Only because we had a small business and always had and have a tax person do our taxes.
    They go by percentages and it’s only that area of your home that you use for your business. That’s why it’s only certain percentages you claim against your electrical, etc. And you keep all receipts, from electricity, mileage, phone, etc. for 5 yrs. Not sure on the security but shoot, these days, I would think you could claim a percentage. Anyway, just my experience on it. Just document etc.
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I err on the side of "do not claim". My time and peace of mind is worth a lot more to me now than the amount I'd potentially save on taxes.
     
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  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    [long time no duplicate post!]
     
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  16. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    Understandable. But we only claimed what was used etc. We pay for the peace of mind as well but I do know some people, let’s just say biting off more than they can chew. We had our permits etc.
     
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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    So if you metal detect a valuable coin and sell it. Are you roped in for tax on the entire amount
     
  18. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Yes, although the gain only has to be reported by the buyer if it exceeds $600.
     
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  19. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Mike, just curious, how would the buyer be responsible for reporting a gain on a coin they just bought? They have no gain, or loss, until they sell.
     
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  20. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    another issue facing the bay and you thought it was hard making money before..LOL
     
  21. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I was answering a question about someone finding a valuable coin for free with a metal detector and then selling it to a buyer, assuming the buyer to be a dealer.
     
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