My ex-John Quincy Adams RR denarius is on the way back from NGC, but...

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Failed to include your pedigree. And that was the reason you wanted the piece!

 

You have reason to be pissed

 

Once it's marked shipped, it doesn't mean it's actually out in the mail yet. Call them right away and have them put a hold on the shipment and fix it. They don't want the expense of having coins come back on their dime.

I had this happen the other day. I saw one of my submissions marked as shipped and upon checking the photos, I saw one of the coins was backwards and another had the wrong date on the label. I called them to request they hold the shipment and fix it, and within 2 hours they had them corrected, rephotographed, and out in the mail.

 

I would be more upset with CNG than NGC.

 

Why?

 

Maybe @Barry Murphy Can help you with this, since he's one of the Ancient graders, and posts here.

 

As already suggested, for misdescription.

 

Ouch!

 

That's disgusting. I hope that you get a satisfactory resolution from NGC!

 

@lordmarcovan I can understand, why you would be annoyed with NGC. It seems like, they should at least have told you, why the John Quincy Adams provenance is not on the slab. I'm guessing, they overlooked your provenance documents. Or, maybe the NGC person at the FUN show, didn't include your provenance documents, when she submitted your coin.
What does the CNG listing, for the coin, look like? I'd be interested to see, what a John Quincy Adams provenance looks like. Also, do you know, of any other evidence, for the John Quincy Adams provenance for the coin, other than the CNG listing? I'm just curious, partly because of the recent gold Eid Mar business. I wonder, if NGC will call CNG, to get confirmation of the John Quincy Adams provenance. I wonder, if CNG has other evidence of the John Quincy Adams provenance, other than what CNG put in the listing for the coin.

 

P.S. : I found it, on ACsearch.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9930351
It says the following.
"From the David J. Fleischmann Collection. Ex John Quincy Adams & Descendants Collection/Massachusetts Historical Society (Stack's, 5 March 1971), lot 448 (part of)."
Now I wonder, if I can find the Stack's auction listing, for the coin.

 

P.P.S. : Here's the CNG listing, in the CNG archives.
https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/...08-bc-ar-denarius-19mm-336-g-12h-rome-mint-vf
"From the David J. Fleischmann Collection. Ex John Quincy Adams & Descendants Collection/Massachusetts Historical Society (Stack’s, 5 March 1971), lot 448 (part of)."

 

P.P.P.S. : I found a link, with photos of the Stack's March 5, 1971 auction catalog. However, the Memmius denarius seems to be part of a group lot, and I didn't see any photos of the Memmius denarius, in the Stack's auction catalog, because it seems that, not all of the coins in the auction catalog, have photos.
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/auctionlots?AucCoId=3&AuctionId=516470
Perhaps there is other evidence, somewhere. Perhaps the evidence, is in old documents, which may be available on the internet.

 

P.P.P.P.S. : The text of the Stack's March 5, 1971 auction catalog, for lot 448, is as follows.
"C. Fonteius. Denarius. Similar type. Syd. 555. Fine. Mn. Aquillius. Dena-
rius. Radiate head of Sol r. Rv. Luna in biga. Syd. 557. Fine; L. Memmius. Denarius. Head of young Mars r., wearing oak-wreath Rv. Dioscuri standing between horses. Syd. 558. Very Fine. Three coins in the lot."
I'm guessing that "Syd.558" is either a previous auction, or a reference from a book.
I'm wondering, how much evidence NGC requires, in order to put a provenance on a slab. Will NGC try to trace the chain of auctions, all the way back to John Quincy Adams himself?

 

I wonder, if NGC ever puts a provenance on a slab. Here is an interesting tidbit, from an article about the Roma gold Eid Mar.
"In 2020, NGC received an “EID MAR” aureus for evaluation from a London-based auction firm and after extensive study determined it was authentic,” an NGC spokesperson wrote to ARTnews. “A coin’s authenticity and grade are matters separate and distinct from provenance. It is not common practice for NGC to opine on the provenance of a coin, and it did not do so here."
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/ne...oin-fake-provenance-roman-eid-mar-1234659762/