1795 Flowing Hair Dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Eduard, Apr 17, 2023.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I posted this coin back in 2007....a long time ago...

    I have recently taken new (much better I think/hope) photos and would like to see how you would grade it. I bought it in the late 80's from a B&M auction where they graded it VF30.

    Do you all agree with this grade today? lower, higher??
    It's a B-5, R-1 'bar' variety .

    1795 Flowing Hair Dollar - B-5 - OBV - VGP - 2021 - 2023 - 1.jpeg 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar - B-5 - REV - VGP - 2021 - 2023 - 1.jpeg
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    It's a lovely coin. I personally would have said VF20, but I know the TPGs and other professionals grade this earlier material a bit more liberally than I might guess, and they're the experts, of course.

    I think VF30 is appropriate. Regardless of the technical grade, it's very eye appealing.
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Okay, I'll just agree. :rolleyes::)
     
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  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think that it is still a VF-30 today. This variety was lightly struck and had weaker details that some Flowing Hair Dollars from the day it was made.

    This was my first Flowing Hair Dollar. It is the same variety. I bought this piece as a VF. When I had NGC grade it, they called it EF. The adjustment marks made this one a bit harder to sell, but I still got a good price for it.

    1795 Flow Dol O.jpg 1795 Flow Dol R.jpg
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The first (OP) coin is definitely superior.

    But … Flowing Hair dollars… wow, regardless.
     
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  7. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    Who am I to disagree? I do know it is a great coin to have.
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Either one is! I’ve never had one.
     
  9. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Vert nice and detailed for an older coin :) it’s a beauty !
     
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  10. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    VF-30 looks right to me. Pretty clean coin for mid-grade. I'm still looking for a Flowing Hair in this grade, the last dollar I need for the type set. Should have bought one three years ago because the price has gone through the roof the last two years.

    I think, if you're so inclined, that it would be worth your while to submit for grading. I don't think you will get anything less than a 30 and it might go better.
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Agreed, though I don't recall if @Eduard does that much with third-party certification. Are you in Europe, Eduard? (Where did I get that idea? I forget.) Anyway, if that is the case, I suppose you could send it to PCGS in Paris, if you were so inclined.
     
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  12. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Profile says Germany. NGC also has an office in Munich.
     
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  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The price was through the roof over a decade ago. This one, which replaced the piece I posted earlier, was in the low 5 figures. It has luster in the protected areas, and is really an EF-45 in my opinion. PCGS graded it EF-40. Buying one with as much detail as I have on my AU half dime and half dollar flowing hair coins is beyond my ability to pay.

    1795 Dollar Gray All.jpg
     
  14. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Light wear on the collar, a few rim dings, a bit of high point wear. Still a very nice VF-35. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you all for your comments and opinions.
    This is a coin which I intend to have graded one day (been saying this for years now...).
     
  16. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    If you do have it graded, I think that there is a small chance that it could come back as “cleaned.” It’s probably market acceptable, and given the more lax standards these days, it will probably sail right through the grading room.
     
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  17. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I think vf 30 sounds about right. Really nice coin, Eduard.
     
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  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    2C396E9D-1255-4F65-BC28-D8931E2F0091.jpeg AA869BF4-6E5F-472F-8FDE-707F06077B0F.jpeg I think vf 25 mine a vf 30. Eye appealing and nice strike. Not strict original surfaces an old dip but market acceptable. I’m glad to have bought it when I did. Adjustment marks not horrible and a couple scratches are in the holder
     
  19. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Was a major bucket list coin when I was collecting serious. I’m glad i got mine when I did.
     
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