PCGS Regrade service = grade inflation?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by NorthKorea, Apr 2, 2023.

  1. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    I was looking at the PCGS regrade service, and they guarantee that your coin grade will never go down. (https://www.pcgs.com/services/regrade)

    Doesn’t that eventually amount to grade inflation, since coins submitted under the service can only improve in grade?
     
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  3. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Sigh.......
     
  4. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    Just to be comprehensive, there are two options: improve or unchanged. So in theory this doesn't necessarily lead to inflation, but in practice...... yes.

    The biggest problem that I see with this option is that PCGS is basically saying, "Pay us to grade your coin again because there's a reasonable chance that we screwed it up the first time". If they had confidence in the accuracy of their own service, then why would they see a point in offering this option? And, if they mis-graded the coin the first time, then how can they justify being paid again to correct the mistake?
     
  5. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Maybe when the newness of the coin wears off in the owners mind, PCGS with regrade and renue the new:p
    How does that work for coin wear in a holder?
    Or environmental issues that show up after the slabbing?
    PCGS must have some small print for Act of God or slab mishandling.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I don’t see it that way.
     
  8. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    No, if you read more carefully, they won't crack it out to downgrade it.
     
  9. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Maybe ""Pay us to grade your coin again because there's a reasonable chance that we can increase your number of submissions and raise the price you may receive from those who believe in us when you sell it." My conclusion , my opinion, not to be my action .
     
  10. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    It says they crack it out and grade it raw:

    “The ‘Regrade’ service applies to coins that are already encapsulated and graded by PCGS. If a customer feels that their coin may qualify for a newly recognized variety or warrants a different grade, but they do not want to remove the coin themselves, this service may be used. PCGS will receive the coin, note the grade it arrived, remove it from the holder, grade the coin raw. The coin will not return at a lower grade than it was received. If a coin is received as a PCGS MS65, it will be returned to the customer as a PCGS MS65 or higher; never lower.”

    I added the accents to point out why it sounds like grade inflation to me.

    Charley, why the sighs? Did you realize that there’s something you can’t argue against?
     
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  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    So it's the cross-over that doesn't get cracked out unless it crosses? It's SO confusing.
     
  12. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Yes. The “regrade” option is for existing coins (maybe earlier gen holders) that the owner wishes to have an upgrade on. Personally, I would feel better if PCGS was willing to lower the grade with buyout provisions.

    Separately, I saw NGC has switched to a 10-pt scale.
     
  13. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Well not really. The 101 point NGCX scale (0.0 - 10.0) is an option. They're not giving up on the Sheldon scale.
     
  14. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Ahh, so under the NGCX scale, would a MS61 coin be closer to a 5.0?
     
  15. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

  16. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    Unless a collector is well off, I can't see that a regrade would be worth the cost and aggravation. Anyway, You can't trust a man that has never personally sent a coin in to be graded.
     
  17. Player11

    Player11 Bullish

    It sounds good. I would not want them downgrade the coin. I can see where owners of big ticket material might use this service.
     
  18. Casman

    Casman Well-Known Member

    Just so I got this right, may warrant a higher grade, so a pR67, is removed and regraded, 3 or how ever many graders look at it (not knowing it’s grade?) and they grade it a 63,….I get it back as a 67? Seems silly, but I’ve been up since Friday morning.
     
  19. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Before they changed their policy to grade never decreasing and if the grade went down, they would pay you the market value difference between the old grade and new lower grade. I’ve heard this did occur for some folks, but never did for me. I never had a coin go down in grade. Most of my regrades were returned with the same grade. The the ones that went up were in older holders.

    The ability to resend coins for grading again, whether regrades or reconsideration (these are different), with no monetary risk has a ratcheting effect on distribution of grades in the pop reports. It gradually pushes coins into higher grades. Grade inflation by this method has existed almost as long at TPGs have.

    At some point, the process will slow. There is a limit to how far a coin can go upscale even with numerous regradings. We’re not there yet though. :(

    Cal
     
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  20. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Should we attach a small sticker next to a slab's grade that says "rent me?"
     
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  21. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Reconsideration is the service you were thinking of where you send a PCGS holder and it won't be cracked unless it goes higher.

    https://www.pcgs.com/reconsideration

    Regrade is if you don't care about the holder (since it will be cracked).
     
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