1818/5 Capped Bust Quarter for grading

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I am thinking VF-25/30 details. This is the B-1 variety, which became very weakly struck in the later die states. This is a late die state coin, evidenced by the bisecting die crack on the reverse.

    Just like their capped bust half counterparts, these need to be graded based on the feather detail on the reverse, which is indicative of a mid-VF coin.

    But most of you won't read this and throw up a F grade without regard to the strike issues of the B-1 variety in this die state. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see...

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  3. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I don't think that it quite gets to VF with the obverse even with the known strike weaknesses. I'd call it F details due to the graffiti on the obverse.
     
  4. mac266

    mac266 Well-Known Member

    I don't know anything about grading these coins, but those scratches are painful to see!
     
  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    From a purely technical point yes its VF. From a grading point F details, those scratches are just to bad not to knock it down.
     
  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Feast your eyes on this PCGS EF-45 1810 O-102a half dollar and see what I mean that you need to look at the wing feathers on the eagle to accurately grade early capped bust coinage.

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    Or how about this PCGS VF-35 1810 O-110 half dollar?

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  7. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Wonder how that scratch managed to go under the star?
     
  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Isn't the point of a "details" grade to give a technical grade and to signify that the value does not match that technical grade? As far as I'm concerned, net grading comes after a details grade has been assigned.
     
  9. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It was scratched in antiquity for some reason (it does not seem to be a contemporary counterfeit; the weight is right), and the coin was worn down and the sratch was filled in.
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    VF details. Nice clash and crack.
     
  11. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Those two examples have a much weaker strike than your example. IMHO, yours seems like a pretty decent strike overall.
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    The speed of the cut, I think. It was cut NW-SE, and the leading edge of the star made the blade jump over the rest of the star. Something similar happened on a smaller scale at Star 5, which indicates the direction of the cut to me.

    Given that coins don't just wear on one face, the obvious disparity between obverse and reverse "apparent" grade begs a different answer. I've no problem agreeing with the OP that the technical detail merits VF.
     
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  13. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    I think VF details is fair for this coin. Too bad someone many years ago was bored and decided to scratch an X on it....

    The whole weak strike thing gives me something to ponder because one of my 1818/5's has a weaker obverse. Maybe mine was a weak strike too. It's an earlier die state and lacks the reverse crack, though. Interesting nonetheless.
     
  14. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Looked at this about 3 times now and I tend to lean towards VF details on the coin. At least that is how I think a TPG would grade it.
     
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  16. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Most of the stars have centrils which is unusual in a grade below VF. The eagle's toes are pretty sharp too.
     
  17. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I'm at f 15 details. Weak strike but still has quite a bit of wear. Too bad
     
  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

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