2013 Retained Cud Shield Cent

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  1. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    Here’s a rare one not seen at all.
    2013 retained cud.
    Displacement seen at ends of the die break on rim.
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not a Cud but it’s a very nice rim to rim die crack.
     
  4. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Nice Retained Cud - I haven't seen that one before.
     
  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Can you please explain how this is a cud? All I can see is a rim to rim die crack.
     
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  6. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    http://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-cuds/
    You can see the vertical movement best at the A.
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

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  8. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I can see the shift along the edge. The broken die has just not fallen away at this point.
     
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That’s all I see so I’m not seeing a cud, just a rim to rim crack.
     
  10. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    It is a rim to rim die crack(pre cud). But when that crack shows vertical or horizontal movement (as this coin shows) it is called a retained cud. If the rim to rim die crack bisects the coin, it’s called a bisecting rim to rim die crack.
    http://cuds-on-coins.com/rim-to-opposing-rim-die-cracks/
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Very neat Gorham. Definitely a retained cud.
     
  12. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I think there is a small cud also. Below the A and to the right. 2nd photo.
    In the first photo it's at the top.
     
  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Understand now?
    Write it down - Retained/Pre Cud ;)

    Basically. A Die with that part cracked and hasn't fallen off yet. When eventually it does fall off then there will be a full-blown Cud on the coin. Unless a mint employee catches the cracked die and replaces it.

    It's kind of like a cracked molar that hasn't fallen off yet.
     
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  14. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    I love these. A nice combo would be a cud from when it broke off
     
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  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    A retained pre cud is a lot different than a cud. It still looks like a rim to rim die crack to these old eyes. But I can see the die was close to breaking off completely.
     
  16. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Same here. Much different
     
  18. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    Correct not a cud this is a Retained cud.
     
  19. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    Nice addition for my shield cent error album. these must’ve had a short life span striking planchets I think.
     
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  20. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    @Collecting Nut the first three arrows from the bottom show the void between the surfaces, yes that usually means a die crack. But this image shows it as a step and not raised on both sides. This is clarified by the fourth arrow pointing to the rim. The notch shows that there is an elevation to the area, and the chunk of die has seperated.
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  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Great photos as always!
     
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