Thoughts from the Trade $ collectors out there on this one?

A friend is looking for comments on this example. He states it weighs 25.08 grams and "rings" when dropped but he is not convinced it is genuine...




Thanks, Jack.

 

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Bump. Me curious too.

I've wanted one ever since I was a kid but never took the plunge. Now, with all the bloody fakes out there, I fear I'll never buy one.

 

I have a grand total of one TD but I have to admit it's one of my favorite coins to take out and look at. Because of all the fakes, I made sure to buy a certified example. Of course, this was before I became aware of how many fake slabs there are now! (Largely due to Jack's tireless efforts.)

However, I also made sure to get one with a discreet chop mark, which along with the PGCS TV leaves me pretty secure that mine is legit.

Only trouble is now I want a proof version, and maybe a whole row of them..

 

Ah, here it is, my small collection of discreet chops, and most aren't actually mine anyway.

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/trade-dollar.402784/#post-18525863

Regarding the OP, it seems that weight is very much on the low side of standard. Low enough to give me pause. Artwork isn't bad though.

ETA: Something about the eagle's head also catches my eye. Additionally, the reverse exhibits very little wear in comparison with the obverse. See Liberty's headdress and then the eagle's left leg (on our right) which is usually a wear zone.

 

It looks sound TOO light me. Her usual weight is only 27.216 with a tolerance of .097!

 

Would the lack of details include the stalks of wheat ending before the tie and the lack of a braid in the mortar joint under the left upper stone?

 

The stalks and the rim make me wonder as well.

 

It looks genuine in the image; however, the chance of a genuine Trade dollar weighing 25 grams still being in circulation is a million to one. He needs to check his scale first. The edge reeding looks "off." If it still weighs that light, it must be a C/F.

 

Went back to my collection- have 4 from a Coin Dealer friend who had these in the safe; all weigh 2 grams light but sigma 90% silver. Came from Vietnam maybe back in the 80's...

 

A business strike 1878-P? There's another counterfeiter who wasn't paying attention.

 

I'm really curious on this. I've read several times so many fakes, people are hesitant to purchase or just refuse to purchase any of these.

 

Well, I for one, wouldn't consider even looking at a trade dollar that wasn't certified in a slab, except if I knew it was fake, and cheap, and just wanted an example.

 

Let's vote @Jack D. Young coin man of the year. He's not very pretty but very knowledgeable and a nice guy to boot. Thanks for sharing.

 

He certainly has my vote along with a few others. I really like CT. but truely it is I really like the people on CT. It is OK that Jack Young is not pretty, neither am I.

 

Here's my couple of questionable cuties. Rim pic is 1874 CC on the left, 73 S on the right. Sorry about the image quality.
The 1873 S weights 26.85, specific gravity is 9.87
The 1874 CC wgt. 27.27 with spec gravity of 10.17

 

I'll have the 1874 in hand in a few days...

 

I think it's 4:20 somewhere

 

seriously underweight, which completely disqualifies a lightly circulated coin imo. also, edge reeding does not look correct; and the rev lettering has a rounded "puffy" look to it. I agree with Larry, the rims are way too thin. Still pretty deceptive.

 

here's an AU example to compare: