Amazing 1883-CC Morgan Dollar pick up today.. What do you think she will grade?

A 67+ All Day Long !!!

 

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Beautiful Morgan!

 

Maybe I'm seeing things, but aren't there several small rim dings. I'm at 65.

 

I'm going against the grain and agree with PCGS, the obverse looks to be improperly cleaned (ie - polished).

 

Really? The coin doesn't have even one hairline.

 

Very nice coin and yes it can be 67

 

There's no way this coin is polished. I'm 100% sure @jtlee321 could spot a polished coin from a mile away, in the dark.

 

One would be wise to remember that it's not always so simple. Not every coin that could/would reasonably fall under the "cleaned" or even "polished" category must be hairlined or look as if some putz took a wheel to it.

I would also be nice if those so certain of this being a PCGS mistake, or of success at NGC, would be willing to put their money where their mouths are, but that, of course, would be expecting too much.

 

It appears that they are going through a "phase", as there currently is a study of TPG reliability/repeatability where coins certified by one TPG are submitted to another, and a high grade scarce double eagle was removed from one slab, sent to another TPG, receiving the response you realized.

The process is observed by a neutral party to verify no alterations, so it appears that they may have changed some grading criteria. The coin hasn't yet been received, so it will be examined upon receipt, documented, and re-submitted with a different group to determine repeatability of grading.

We will soon submit a very scarce relatively high grade Double Eagle which has what appear to be in-process "die polishing" hair-lines that stop at the devices, to determine whether any hair-lines are criteria for the "cleaned" statement. We suspect any hair-lines or evidence of moisture contact with the surfaces may elicit the un-gradable statement.

A lustrous scarce date Double Eagle was received with an unexplainable surface "spot", as reported in another thread where the spot removal resulted in a substantially increased value, will soon be submitted with the spot removed to determine variations that receive the "cleaned" statement.

Without a statement of grading exception, which is believed due a customer, especially when a possible error of this nature may result in a value reduction of a 4-5 figure sum, the customer may receive grading that defies published standards. It's believed that a grade exception check-list report is reasonable for the fees paid, and valuation ramifications.

It appears there currently isn't a path for explanation/redress of possible error.

JMHO

 

I just looked at Collectors Universe and read the whole thread. You seem to be exaggerating this negative opinion as more people said MS-66/67 than did "cleaned." There were a couple posters who did step out of line because of the anonymity offered by an internet forum, but the vast majority were polite about their opinions. Your view of them is not representative of CU as a whole, and I feel like you are overreacting a bit bacause not everyone gave you the answer you wanted to hear.

 

Beautiful coin I would love to own.

 

True story: Last year at the ANA summer seminar, we were looking through the ANA's collection for coins for the class. One was an 1878 8TF Morgan dollar that had been graded Unc details, cleaned by NGC. It wasn't very attractive, and had darkish toning on it. We thought it was an unattractive proof. The first part of the week we gathered opinions from various experts in the field, including grading instructors, other instructors, industry experts that were on site, all of whom examined the coin in hand, and there was no consensus among the 12-15 opinions we had. Later, we consulted with a few people about dipping the coin, since it was in a "nothing to lose by trying" holder, and there was general agreement that it was appropriate in this case. We then showed as many of the same people as we could, at which time there was pretty unanimous opinion that the coin was a proof and might even grade 62 or 63 (although I think there was one expert who thought it was tooled -- we thought he was nuts). ANA sent it to NGC and it is now graded PR63.

My point? This coin was shown to a lot of experts who gave a lot of opinions, some of which changed. Other than the OP, the OP's coin has been seen by nobody here, nobody on the PCGS board, and nobody on the NGC board. On top of that, most people who commented, myself included, are not and haven't been professional graders. To expect anything but a smattering of grade estimates before grading and reactions to the results afterward is folly. If this coin grades next time, it wouldn't be unprecedented.

 

Was that when you found the Zerbe or Chapman proof too I remember from last year?

 

Zerbe was the previous year.