1921 Morgan with Cool Lamination VAM?

Take it to VAMworld, with your thinking and the caveat that there's not enough evidence to be sure. Maybe a title like, "Is this a 1921-P VAM-61A?" The idea being to scare up other examples and add information to the listings if possible. Your scribbles images are worth being part of the record, as are the die cracks. The 1921 Die Crack Guide is a vital attribution tool and deserves all expansion possible.

 

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Coming off while in the slab is not the only issue here. A lamination error that size is beyond the scope of what the market will simply overlook for a coin in that grade, for better or for worse. The grading services will grade it and slab it as a mint error, but not as a "normal" coin.

 

1. The coin will never be straight graded w/o lamination on the label. It is a major mint error.

2. That lamination will NOT COME OFF in the holder or otherwise UNLESS it is ripped off the coin!

 

Insider. Why do you always present information as irrefutable sacrosanct without qualifiers? Remember, people will read these threads well into the future and it's irresponsible. If the slab was dropped on a hard surface the shock could very well cause a lamination like that to pop off inside the slab. Heck, if he dropped it on a table raw from a mere 12" high it just might. It's already about 1/3rd peeled. You're always so sure of this or that when more possibilities exist. It gets tiresome. Not really trying to rag on you but come on man

 

Thanks soooooooooooooo much John! The more I look at it the more I am convinced. You guys are awesome! Monday I'll give ANACS a call and ask them about the lamination thingy and get her sent off. Again, thanks so much for everyone's comments and help on this! Chris, Dave, John, you guys are great!

 

And he doesn't have to pay anything to tell them to stick it in their...ear.

 

Dave and all, it's been posted on the message brd on the VW site.

 

Cascade old buddy. Thanks for your thoughts. No one likes a know- it-all as they can be boring. However, I'll guarantee that you could drop that coin out a five story building on to a sidewalk if it were in a PCGS slab and that lamination would not break off. Since no one is going to do it, under normal care that lamination will NEVER COME OFF the slabbed coin.

Look at it from my point of view. It gets very tiresome for me to read all the insane "qualifiers" in posts. Experience rules! I've been playing with laminated coins for almost fifty years. I'll guarantee there are others here who have also. Forget about the thousands of minor laminations that are common as dirt in some series. Let's talk MAJOR ones such as this. They can be very delicate. Even trying to push it down will cause a crease in its surface if you don't know how to do it. I'll bet some here do.

IMHO, based on what I see in the post, that lamination is not going anywhere unless someone does something stupid. Dropping it raw off a table there is a one in 10,000 chance that a corner of the lamination will catch a bit of rug if it slides against the grain. Heck, I could kick it a foot across a concrete floor WITH THE GRAIN and you would not know it. YET, CATCH THE EDGE at the point of the lamination with the plastic straight edge of a flip and it might pop right off if pushed to hard.

PS coins like this have even been "repaired a little" (to guarantee their future) with super glue AND THEN BEEN SLABBED.

 

You want to get an original body bag from PCGS? Submit a coin like this. Look up their Code 83 for Genuine designations.

 

@JAY-AR

PM me if you are curious and still have the coin.

 

The coin is going to ANACS Monday morning along with 9 other Morgans. $99 for 10 coins +free shipping to preferred customers. $7 each for attribution fee's. 1 single coin sent to PCGS, Economy rate ($20) plus attribution fee ($18) is $38 per coin, plus $25 shipping. I'm a ICG and ANACS fan, yeah, I'll send a coin or 2 to PCGS from time to time, but only if it's a proof or modern coin that is worth adding $30 to the cost of the coin. I don't subscribe to the saying it's worth more in a PCGS holder. I really don't care to be honest, I'm in it for the hunt. Since I caught the VAM bug, it's ANACS or ICG.

 

YES! The coin is a major mint error. Who would want it in a slab labeled "Genuine" or just straight graded? That would be a waste of money and a inaccurate attribution. The coin is worth more than a 21 Morgan. to many collectors. Nevertheless, one of my LCD's, throws coins like this into the "cull" bucket!

I did not mention this before but their are error $ coins all over EBAY in slabs. I should have said from the beginning that I talked to a lady at ICG (to make sure I was not giving out false info) and they will slab that coin as a "lamination" without any additional charge over the cost for the speed of service I choose. She also said there would be a $7 charge if I wanted an attribution. When I told her it was a 21 Morgan , she said that due to the large number of coins the graders must examine each day ON OCCASION they are not able to confirm a VAM in a normal amount of time and I would not be charged. That's why I wanted @SuperDave and others to find the VAM for @JAY-AR.

 

Well, if you're getting it attributed, share the results here and we can arrange to get the relevant VAMworld listing updated.

 

Dave, for sure! Here's the link to what I posted, I kinda messed up the the pics as I am really new to posting pics but I finally think I got some good pics out there. http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/78565837

Insider, I appreciate all the info, I really do, I have been sending error coins to TPG's for several years now. It was this instance that I was worried it might be a problem sending such a major lam error with some of the lamination actually lifted off the surface. I learned early on that if you don't state the error and pay for the attribute, it ain't going on the slab.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the sole answer you have so far is correct and authoritative. If Austin says it is, it is. So it's 61A. He wouldn't have spoken otherwise.

Now, once you have the coin back from ANACS, we'll work on maybe getting more definitive full-face images of the coin (maybe I can talk you into sending it @messydesk or someone similar for their world-class photography skills). In the meantime, your detail images are quite up to turning into nice pickup details for the relevant page - the breaks at US, TED, ES and above DOLLAR are sufficiently "different" (if not unique) to make nice pickups for the VAM and ought to be up there. In addition, the clash is somewhat rotated - farther left on the n of In than normal - and worth mentioning. Scribbles too.

I have the day off, but am about to engage in a marathon imaging session. If time remains I'll be happy to massage your detail shots into a format better for the VAM page and we can define this variety once and for all.

 

Thanks Dave, hey would you like to switch the conversation over to Vamworld and we can PM each other?

 

Did you forgot to add...AT PCGS, NGC, And ANACS?

As I wrote somewhere before. All four major TPGS's can surprise you and REALLY PROVIDE A SERVICE by informing the submitter he has something more valuable/important than he was ignorant about. We read stories in the Numismatic Press about new varieties and die parings being discovered by a TPGS.

Unfortunately, all the good the second tier services do many times over and MORE OFTEN is only known to their loyal supporters. Example: Many Bust half dollars, Draped Bust dollars, and Large cents get attributed for free as the graders wish to update their diagnostic files. The "Little Guys" do try harder to please. They need to in order to keep a fair share of the grading market.

 

Nice to know! Thanks for all your help and info, I do appreciate it!

 

Just got this back from ANACS......I know it's been a while since the last post. Thought you guys would like to see the results.

 

Sweet!