1921 Morgan with Cool Lamination VAM?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JAY-AR, May 13, 2016.

  1. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Can you get a better, crystal clear macro pic of the scribbles area?
     
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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    IMO, your coin will go into any TPGS holder with no problem and once slabbed it will not come off.

    PS You do not want to have that sliver come off. It leaves a long unattractive furrow in the surface and much of the time is nasty and dark under the sliver where the surface either has oxidized or has the impurities that caused it to laminate.
     
  4. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Insider, they generally won't slab large peeled but retained laminations as it can pop off in the holder and damage the coin. Simple as that.

    And if it does pop off and he gets both into a a double or two single slabs the price soars so I must disagree with your entire post :)
     
  5. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    Hey Chris, here are a couple more pics of the OBV and RV with the scribbles and cracks. I'm a member of PCGS, I think it's worth giving them a ping and asking. Thanks, I wasn't aware of the DBL Slab thingy.:woot: 1921 OV2 Lam.jpg 1921 RV2 Lam.jpg 1921 Scribbles 1.1Lam.jpg 1921 RV Top DCLam.jpg
     
  6. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    Here's a pic of the lifting lam.. 1921 Close of lifted area Lam.jpg
     
  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Thanks for the education! That's why I let members know there are other options besides NGC and PCGS!
     
  8. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

  9. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Yeah, anacs ;) :p
     
  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    They are good for some things. They are running a special right now...free shipping & $7.50 a coin. That's unfortunate as it indicates what I hear on the grapevine is true. :yuck::yuck:
     
  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    PCGS in particular is leery of slabbing laminations which might then peel and disfigure the coin - I sincerely doubt they'd slab this one.

    Those two lines following the bottom of the leg feathers are prominent; they ought to be enough to attribute if the scribbles are depicted cleanly enough at VAMworld. I didn't see them.

    But I'm not beaten yet. :)
     
  12. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    Thanks Dave! I'm still working it as well. in between mowing my lawn. You probably can't tell by my pics, but there is some letter transfer "M" and whatnot above GOD and a little bit of a mark above the W in we. It looks similar to 3B3 without the die scratches in the wing....also where the clash I n is suppose to be near the neck has the strike thru and lam issue so I can't see it.
     
  13. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    Insider, I'm actually sending a batch into ANACS today. Great deal they have going on this month. I've got 20 Morgans and Peace $ VAM's going in....I use ANACS for all my coins that need attributed. John Roberts is awesome and I trust them to get it right.....hee hee, I sound like add....
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    The only detail I found of any relevant interest was in VAM-61, which resembles the obverse break pattern at U-S on yours. Insufficient detail otherwise, and I found no scribbles which were a likely candidate.
     
  15. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    I'll have a look at 61, I swear I've been thru every VAM# on the Vworld site. Maybe I'll suck down a couple 3 or 4+ New Castle Browns to see things a little clearer...hahaha. Again thanks everyone for your input....
     
  16. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    What about the 61A? It's got the clash mark above God....
     
  17. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    I believe it IS a VAM 61A. Dave, check the 61A and then read the thread from Tekkie. Mine has the crack from above the D in dollar, going up to the leaves and then back down to the rim. Let me know what you think.:pompous:
     
  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    IMO, any service that would not slab that coin should be run out of business. Once in a slab it is not coming off. Slabbed or not, it is not coming off w/o some help or careless handling while putting it in a flip! Send it to ICG and be done with itbut let SD find the VAM first :hilarious::bucktooth::bucktooth:.
     
  19. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I did all that before even posting my thought above. That's an uncommon but not solitary location for a 1921 die crack, and I found the evidence insufficient to be conclusive. Pics of an attributed 61 are necessary.
     
  20. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    Dave I agree, should I just go ahead and send it to ANACS and just tell them to attribute? Or should I post the pics out on the Vamworld message brd and see what the gang says?
     
  21. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The scribbles are a match for the VAM 61 in the scribbles guide. The clash from the wing up to the 'n' in "In" shows there's probably an 'n' clash on the obverse. I would attribute this as either VAM 61 or 61A, depending on the clash.
     
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