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  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Congrats AN, a wonderful coin.
     
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  3. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Noob - fabulous writeup and super coin. It appears that your coin has a particularly high relief. I've always thought the Carthaginian coins are really special. I've only got one which I've shared before, but who can resist...

    SICILY, Entella. Punic issues. Circa 320/15-300 BC. AR Tetradrachm (17.21 g, 12h). Head of Persephone left, wearing barley-ear wreath, triple-pendant earring, and necklace; four dolphins around / Horse’s head left; palm tree to right, Punic ‘MMHNT below. Jenkins, Punic 156 (O48/R141); Boston MFA 491 (same dies); SNG Copenhagen 84 (same obv. die); SNG Lockett 1050 (same obv. die).

    Sicily Entella Punic Issue Tetradrachm CNG 1-2007.jpg
     
  4. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    @Carthago I never get tired of seeing that one!!!
     
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  5. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Made a little tray of some favs!
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Great set!!
     
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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice coin! I love the stately depiction of Tanit on these issues, and I love the color of electrum. I also love that these types aren't wildly rare - I looked at one at the last Baltimore show, but it was too rough for my tastes. There are enough of these coins around that you don't have to settle for any with problems. Yours is fabulous!
     
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  8. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Your right. They are not wildly rare, Carthage did produce something like 8.3 million of them to pay up front 1000 talents of gold to Rome and then another 2000 over the next decade at the close of the first Punic War. For them not being wildly rare they tend to be expensive, the difference between mine (a little wear) and one with the same strike and no wear can be thousands of dollars. I did have to make some concessions when acquiring this, first its not the high gold 9 gram whoppers who start at $5K and this example has a small scratch (in some lights) above the horse, but hey I swore I would get the best one I could get for my station. Maybe someday I will upgrade it - but I dont think so...I would have to mow a lot of lawns.
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Dude, you nailed it. Since this has a TINY bit of wear and tear, you have a REAL coin...one that was used, one that the Roman Senate held in their grubby paws as they raised their noses to the Carthaginians! This one has some REAL history to it! :D Nice job. Full Stop at this one, no need to go further my Friend!
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yeah...if it were mine, I certainly wouldn't see a need to upgrade it either! Scratch - what scratch? I had to go back and look at the coin, and I don't see any scratches worth mentioning.
     
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  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    This was the sellers photo which certainly exacerbates the "blemish"

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  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Eh, nothing a little photoshop can't fix, lol.
     
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  13. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    Concessions? It's a soft metal, so a little wear on the highlights is nada. It is a very pretty example.

    I have not found the correct Carthaginian coin at the correct price for me yet. My reach exceeds my grasp most times...... But reach I must.

    Good grab.
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    What evidence do we have that a 1000 talent payment was made in coin rather than bullion?
     
  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    The sheer volume of Carthage Staters?
     
  16. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    just look at it at a slightlyl different angle no photoshop needed.
     
  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nooooo.... I would use the off-the-shelf tube of Liquid Metal... just rub some in and fill the cracks... A little yellow paint... No prob!
     
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Not sure, but I think they have found several of these in the vending slots of the Senate House's Vespasian Pay Toilets! :D (sorry, Doug, I could not resist...)
     
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  19. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Non Omnia Punica delenda est.
     
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  20. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Here's my modest (in comparison to the wonders we've seen above) sicilo-punic bronze coin

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    Sicilo-Punic, AE16 264-241 BC
    Head of Tanit left
    Horse right and palm tree
    1.75 gr, 16 mm
    Ref : SNG Cop. 111

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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I know you have seen this on before... but, these are a bit harder to find than all my AE Carthaginians...

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    Zeugitana, Carthage
    AR 2/3 Shekel
    18.4mm, 4.4g
    Obv: Tanit l, wreath, earring
    Rev: Horse standing r, head l
    Ref: Sear Greek Vol 2 6491; SNG COP 143 var R
     
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