25c Missouri retain cud

I think I'll just stick around! You see, I don't care for someone giving new collectors the idea that their junk is collectible. Miss Emmy is known for that.

Chris

 

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That quote was excellent calling three quarters of the members on this site junk collectors. (Amazing)

 

I don't want to get into a semantic argument about this, but I always considered those just die cracks. A retained cud needs to show a significant die shift in order to confirm that the crack in the die has totally released a portion of the die.

Or to put it another way, I would need to see that variety with a fully formed cud at that position in order to confirm that this earlier die state is a retained cud.

See this discussion for the difference between die cracks and retained cuds:

http://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2011/01/retained-cud-diagnostics-sometimes-leave-room.html#

 

Ha ha! I believe you just insulted three-fourths of the members by comparing them to the likes of you. Tsk, tsk, Miss Emmy! Shame on you.

Chris

 

I felt the same way for years I've always thought they were just die cracks but I guess through the years move on so do evaluations and varieties of die cracks. But one thing has not changed since I started collecting many years ago there are a large variety of opinions. And agree with you on the die shift. But reading a variety of articles that sometimes are very confusing stating that a die shift is not always the case in retained cuds. But also have read difference in opinions On the same subject. And I wish they could all be like this photo of a retained die cud, but now I days that's not always the case.\V/

 

If this, quote blows your skirt up then you have a serious problem. To start off with I would never refer to any of the errors that I show (junk) I do not even consider PMD's (junk) the only one that seems to be calling these kind of errors junk is yourself. Look your bad at this I'm going to take my ball and go home.

 

We can disagree. The progression for the die is cracked, then that piece broken off but still retained on the die, then that piece totally fallen off the die. Without either die shift, or a later die state coin showing a cud, there is no confirmation that a piece of the die has completely cracked off the die. At best I see this as a possible retained cud, but without confirmation I would not be comfortable calling it a retained cud. As the coin sits, the only thing you can say about it is that the die has cracked, so it's a die break unless further confirmation is provided.

 

While you're at it, take your other playthings with you Miss Emmy.

Chris

 

I know what you are saying. Why build the hopes of a new collector into thinking they have found something of value. They just leave the hobby before they learn what it is really all about. It would be different if a thread such as this was used as a teaching aid. Teach that it's just a minor thing that happens in the minting process and has little value. Don't try to make folks think that it is something special. It's not.

 

There lies the problem your putting money in the determining factor of this hobby how much is that coin worth. I started collecting error coins not for their monetary value, because of what was in the error that was in the coin so I could move on and find out what caused the error it's the hobby of collecting. Many people collect many different things, some collect to resell some collect for the hobby of collecting not for the monetary value of what they have. The lesson should be this is a very interesting hobby and you can enjoy this hobby with the change in your pocket and a magnifying glass. Just do some basic research on error coin so you know what you're looking for, And have fun going through your change and finding errors. Then finding out what kind errors you have and what caused them, all I can hope for is if most of the new collectors that have started collecting errors are doing it for the hobby of collecting errors. And it's a fact we have error coin collectors that only collect for monetary value. But that's only an old Marines observation.

 

The problem is that most of the newer collectors come here asking for advice on value. It's not that most of us stress value, but when you post your common error coins without advising the newbies that they are not worth any more than face value, it is you who is doing them a disservice.

Personally, I don't think we should have a "What's it Worth" forum. I can't count how many times I've advised people that a coin is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and the majority of common die cracks and die chips are only worth face value.

Chris

 

Like I said you have the monetary value collectors, and you have the hobby collectors. You come to the error coin form to find out what kind of an error you have and the members here such as yourself are more than happy to give their opinion on the error that they are showing. Instead of keeping to the forms intended purpose you and other members always tend do tell Them what kind of an error they have and proceed to tell them monetarily value it's only worth face value are the worst I've heard was not worth anything instead of directing them over to what is it worth form to get a value on that coin if they asked. And I've noticed on several occasions you give them the coins value whether they want to hear it or not no one asked, I've also heard other members tell members that monetary value is not an issue, and it shouldn't be an issue on this site that's what the other form is for. I will not speak for other hobby collectors only myself. I personally collect what I find interesting and keep what I find interesting. And like you said a majority of the errors that are in circulation are only worth face value. Or what someone is willing to pay you for them. And what error coins I do keep is like putting money into a piggy bank, except this piggy bank is full of error coins. I'm sure you may have savings accounts well this is a savings account to. Teach the newcomers to pick the best and dump the rest. And it's not hard to figure out monetary error collectors and hobby collectors are two different kinds of people with different values

 

I'm sort of a refugee here from another coin forum. When I found Coin Talk I was immediately attracted to the civility and friendliness of the site. Lately, and I think it's just a few folks, it seems that you can't say anything without having to "brace" for the "wrath to come."

If you look for the humor, you won't be so inclined to find the insult. Most people here, and in the hobby, are good people. Don't let the 1% drag you down. Life is way too short (take it from one who knows). Jack

 

Know exactly what you mean. Life is too short have fun with what's left and enjoy it.

 

"that is all?" really? admittedly it is not much of one, but die breaks, i thought, were often major errors. so your rapid dismissal of it, in my opinion, derides those who search for error coins and for new kinds of errors. just thought you should consider the effect of your words.

 

Yes, that is all! Why don't you take some ordinary die breaks that you think are major errors, submit them to PCGS or NGC and then try to sell them through Heritage? I think you'll learn how minor your "majors" are.

I'm not trying to belittle anyone who might want to collect them, but I am trying to wake them up to reality.

Chris

 

okay. point taken. i just thought you were doing it in a manner that did not explain without seeming deriding. BTW, that is what you just did to me, but i appreciate your clarification, even though i think i am ignoring some ire.

 

Have you considered the possibility that somewhere in the 23,000+ posts I've made over the last 5 years that I've tried to explain my reasoning again and again? After a while, some of us tend to be more brief in our answers.

I can't help it if you have a thin skin. Why should I have to mollycoddle anyone?You'll just have to learn to develop a thicker skin if you plan to participate in online forums. Everyone has their own opinion, and I'm sure that not all of them will agree with yours.

I'm not mad.

Chris