3 in a row (sort of)

picked up two coins in the half way recent past, showing three rulers in chronological order...but not minted that way.


the first is a coin of valerian (he's been on my list for two years...not sure why it took me so long to get one!)...



Valerian antoninianus , AD 257
O: Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, IMP VALERIANVS AVG, R: Valerian and Gallienus standing facing one another, each holding shield set on ground; two spears between in background, P M TR P V COS IIII P P RIC V, 277. Antioch mint. 5th emission. 21 mm, 3.2 g

the reverse shows valerian in his pre-foot stool days clasping hands with his son and fellow ruler gallienus.

gallienus was succeed by this cat, claudius ii.




Divus Claudius II Gothicus. Died AD 270, Struck under Constantine I (317-318)
O:Laureate and veiled head right, DIVO CLAVDIO OPTIMO IMP , R:Claudius seated left, raising hand and holding short scepter, REQVIES OPTIMO RVM MERITORVM; SIS. RIC VII 43. Siscia mint. 17 mm, 1.1 g


here we see a deification issue, but it was minted over 40 years after his death (plague got him) by constantine the great. there are common claudius ii posthumous coins from just after the time of his death with an altar or ealge on the reverse and a CONSECRATIO legend. i have a couple of poor ones from an uncleaned lot, i'll let one of you post a nice one if you would like.

anyway, i guess constantine was claiming that he was related to claudius ii..which seem he pretty much made up.

post any coins of valerian, gallienus, or claudius ii.

 

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Nice coins Chris.

I do have one of Valerian with Jupiter riding a goat.
(Edit: Ooops. I think it might be Valerian II.)





and Divo Claudius II Gothicus


For Gallienus I chose

 

Wow, at a glance I thought the Divus coin was Constantine!

Constantine I's engravers sure took liberty with Claudius II's features-- he looks just like Constantine! Usually Claudius II is recognizable from his portraits. Interesting.

 

Congrats on the natural hat-trick!! (chrsmat, well played)

=> here are my same three ...

Valerian-II


Gallienus


Claudius-II


That's a pretty nasty Claudius-Gothicus of mine, so I tossed-in a thumbnail version of Valerian-I (scrambling for style points)

 

For ancient newbies like me, could someone share some enlightenment about posthumous coinage. 40 years later! One would think an emperor would want his own likeness on coins posthaste.
1) Are there many reasons why posthumous minting was done?
2) How exactly is it known that a coin was posthumously struck?
Thanks, in advance.
3) And, for the future, is there one specific reference book that would address such newbie questions?

Steve

 

Nice additions, Chris.


Valerian I (253 - 260 A.D.)
AR Antoninianus
O: VALERIANVS P F AVG - Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Valerian I.
R:ORIENS AVGG - Sol, holding globe, raising hand.
Colonia Agrippinensis (Cologne) mint. 2nd emission
3.5gm
RIC 13


Claudius II (268 - 270 A.D.)
Æ Antoninianus
O: IMP C CLAVDIVS AVG, radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind.
R: SALVS AVG, Isis Faria standing facing, head left, holding sistrum and basket; Є
Antioch mint
22mm
3.37g
RIC 217

 

@Stevearino , as i understand it, he was claiming that he was related to claudius ii through his father (constantius i). i think that showing he was related to the "divine" claudius ii was bolstering his claim to rule...and maybe a bit of a middle finger to licinius who was of humble origins?

 

1. Even today we honor dead heros with coins. Look at all our dead Presidents on money. Kennedy was gone for a few months when the first half dollars were issued. Most Romans were honored by their successors who claimed legitimate status to rule through the connection to the new god.

2. Most use a legend that included the term Divus (divine) or Consecratio (Consecrated).

3. The book you want would weigh more than you do. Right now the best answer is the Internet. Yes there are good books but the ones that seem to sell best are catalogs that provide ID numbers more than education. I think that is a shame but the market for beginner question books just is not strong. Do feel free to ask here. Several people will try to help.

My favorite Claudius II is with his title Gothicus (dative Gothico) often seen in books but rarely on coins.

 

Wonderful posts and a big Congrats @chrsmat71 !!!

My contributions; Gallienus and the Claudius 'Gothico' type that Doug posted (Valerian I and II are AWOL):

 

thanks everyone, and nice coins...several good examples of the altar i was looking for!

i get to buy another coin this weekend....yipeeeee!

 

Thanks, Doug! Now, perhaps Chris would talk to my wife so I could buy a coin this weekend, too!

Steve

 

Dear Mrs. Steve,

Please allow your husband to by a coin this weekend.

Sincerely,
chrsmat71

 

Well, I'm no professional lawyer, but that written statement above seems like a green-light for a sweet coin purchase!!

... all Steves should take advantage of this Golden Ticket!!

 

Wheeee! Do you have a target in sight?

 

Oh fun, let's help him!!



Ummm chrsmat => what is your coin-budget?

 

@TIF and @stevex6

i already blew it! coins from ancient iran are incoming!



yes, my letter applies to all steves with wives!

 

Nice additions!

 

@chrsmat71, you wouldn't want to hear my wife's reply. And I can't type it as Peter would give me a time out...but thanks for trying!

Steve

 

Man Stevearino, that's fricken weird? => ummm, did your wife have a twin? ... and were they separated at birth? ... and was one of the twins unfortunately sent to Northern Manitoba?

=> because my wife had that same Turrets syndrome thingy goin' on ... that's weird, eh?

 

I worked out a deal with my wife....the first 40 hours ($ used to pay the bills) everything over 40 hrs (right now 45 hrs) I CAN USE TO BID ON COINS!
Great incentive to work hard. Kinda nice when work ends in early December.