Need help with a TONED silver ancient COS II

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  1. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    Hello, I know nothing about ancients and would like some help with this since my research only told me its Trajan and that its 3.2 grams IMG_3544.JPG IMG_3545.jpg IMG_3546.jpg . I would like to know if its real, rarity and value. Thank you all
     
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  3. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    On the reverse at 7 o clock, its nicely toned but the photo couldn't catch it
     
  4. noname

    noname Well-Known Member

    that's not a trajan, that's a much nicer and rarer pertinax. 192-193 AD
     
  5. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Actually it is Septimius Severus. Look closely and you can see a SEP SEV at the top. PERT is just short for Perpetuus meaning "eternal" or "forever".
     
  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Not Pertinax, Septimius Severus. Severus took his predecessor's name.
     
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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Value is in the $50 range in that condition. It's not a rare coin, Fortuna Redux type. Here's mine...

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  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    V-K nailed it .... and the others reaffirmed it----A nice affordable Septimius Severus!
     
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  9. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Huh, guess I was a bit off with what PERT was. Just goes to show my level of interest in this part of Roman history lol
     
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  10. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all the help guys! SO whats the approx date on this and does the toning add value?
     
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  11. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    and would i call this a silver denarius for the roman emperor Septimius Severus? Again, I am complete noob with ancients :D
     
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  12. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    One of the Sept Sev collectors can probably narrow it down to a year or two but this one would be from around the late 190s- early 200s AD. And yes it is a "silver" denarius (as opposed to bronze or fouree denarius). Not a bad start to an ancients collection.
     
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  13. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    When you say "silver", does that mean it is or isn't silver?
     
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  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I'm talking off the top of my head here - maybe you're right. Doug will set us straight.

    Yes, a silver denarius of Septimius Severus, dated AD 194-5. The toning may add a tiny bit of value to someone who likes it, but in general, no.
     
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  15. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    It is silver. Just wanted to differentiate it from the other kinds of denarii out there. You can also refer to it as an AR denarius (the more technical term). AR meaning "argenteus", the Latin word for silver.
     
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  16. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    My memory isn't what it used to be but I believe the PERT refers to Pertinax as JA mentioned....Right Doug???

    EDIT: Of course I am referring to the inscription and not the portrait which is definitely Severus as everyone agrees...or does the PERT mean something else?
     
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  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Fortuna Redux was the goddess of safe returns. She often appears on coinage when an emperor has gone off on a military campaign. SS returned from his Eastern campaigns victorious against Pescennius Niger. Here's a denarius of Trajan - he did not fare so well. His campaigns against the Parthians were successful, but he fell ill before he could return to Rome. On this coin, Fortuna is portrayed again with rudder and cornucopia, but this time seated on a throne...

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  18. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I can tell you that I, a casual ancient collector who mainly collects old u.s. gold, would pay a premium for the toning. I love the look. Nice!
     
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  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Sep Sev for absolute certainty. Not Pertinax!
     
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  20. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    Thats what I was thinking! I would as well but maybe because we don't only collect ancient? Or probably because I'm a sucker for toned silver too:D
     
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  21. Kentucky

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    That's interesting
     
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