Unofficial/Barbarous imitations

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by YOC, Mar 28, 2016.

  1. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    I dont want to start a debate about where to draw the line as to whether a coin is barbarous or unofficial.... thats not the reason for me starting this thread. (although if discussion heads that way, feel free)
    I was asked by a guy who buys pretty much all of the Barbarous/unofficial coins from me to see what I had lying around, so I took a quick look in the coin store and was suprised how many I had lying around in boxes and tubs etc etc. What I find most amusing about them is their naivety and sometimes cartoon like depictions of emperors and reverse types. It can be hard to work out quite what they are purporting to be sometimes, and other times they can be pretty darn close , but theres just something which isnt right....
    post your unnofficial/barbs if you have some .... lets guess what they are trying to be!!
    I'll start with this feeble attempt.. commemorating the cities of CONRTIUNS and ROME I think!!
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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Cool Coin!!!

    I'm still missing any barbarous types, although I'm actually pursuing a couple at this very moment---Eastern Celts imitating Greek and Roman Republic devices.
     
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  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I am torn on this subject as to which end of the wild coins I like better. I do like the really wild and crazy barbarous ones but sometimes we see coins that are not official but were cut by real artists whose work might be as good in some ways as the official coins.

    Tiberius from India
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    Commodus
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    Julia Domna
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    Gallienus
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    This Urbs Roma with TRP mintmark strikes me as decent style but it has one little problem that makes it stand out as unofficial....Right?
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  5. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Lol @dougsmit. :) Maybe the celator was looking in a mirror while cutting the die for the VRBS ROMA. :) Also, I really like the Commodus.
     
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  6. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's a neat coin YOC, the art style is pretty good really...even if they have things mixed up a bit.
     
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  7. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

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  8. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    As you can see from my avatar, I'm really into barbaric imitations. Love those Indian Romans, dougsmit! There were some extremely nice gold ones in the last Adams auction, but alack, I missed out on all of these.
     
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  9. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Here are both sides of my avatar coin. I got it in an auction lot. Apparently, this lot (of 6 coins) was found in Germany, and these coins definitely look different from the better known coins from Britain and Gaul. But it is clearly a free imitation of a 4th century Roman coin.
    (Yes, I mirrored the coin to make it more attractive as an avatar).

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  10. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Here's another of my Germans.

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  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Wow, that is a wonderfully weird imitation!
     
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  12. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    Pellinore, those two are awesome....
    I am guessing a Constantine I vot/altar reverse or Gloria exercitus mix up....
    How about this mutant!!
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    I think the horse is broken!! a fel temp fallen horseman imitation for those who cant spot it...
     
  13. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    ps. Doug... love the URBS.... right.....left....
     
  14. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    YOC, that's a nice one. These coins are not rare, but often very expressive, they vary more than official Roman coins.
     
  15. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    This coin I bought recently, an imitation of a centenionalis of the usurper Magnentius, who reigned basically in Gaul, from 350-353. His homely round face shows clearly. He appears to be wondering about something... on the reverse the two short-skirted Victories have somehow been drawn with fluid lines, and the lettering looks clear enough, but it's as off as his obverse head. 1,84 gr., 16 mm.

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  16. Joe LeMay

    Joe LeMay Active Member

    Here's my barbarian:

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    Constantine VLPP
    Barbarous Imitation
    ca 330 A.D.
    17 mm, 1.79 gm
    Laureate, helmeted, facing right decent style, legend is gibberish
    VICTORIAE LAETAE PRINC PERP
    Two Victories facing, inscribed shield over altar
     
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  17. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Aww man, my favorite @dougsmit coin.
     
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  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Very neat. You have just "made" another collector...prices will go up. ;)
     
  19. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Nice coin, Joe LeMay. Looks almost like children's drawings!
     
  20. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Here are two barbarian pairs. Wish I could make better pics.

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    I wonder about the lower left reverse. What sort of coin does it imitate? Three horizontal lines of letters.
     
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  21. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    Man, I need some barbarous imitations. These coins are really cool!

    Thanks for sharing, everyone!

    Erin
     
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