Are there many careers in numismatics?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by OnEWB, Mar 25, 2016.

  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    This may have been true in the 1950's and 1960's but now there are plenty of places to learn one-on-one, and the Internet. I was self taught until the 1970's. Anyone under forty has it easy!

    1) Private seminars
    2) Group seminars
    3) Instruction from coin dealer during slow time
    4) Books, tapes, etc.
    5) Coin club
    6) Professional mentor
     
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  3. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    Speaking of writing... I have some other work to do tonight, but this has been bugging me... ONewb seems to be wanting a job in numismatics. The replies bought into that. "No one will hire you unless... If you want to get hired you need to... Working for a dealer..." Sure. But other replies did suggest that you could work for yourself. If you want a career in numismatics, take the first step.


    See my review of Eric P. Newman: Truthseeker here on CT. True, he was born well, but he bought his first coins from his 5-cent allowance (and the street car was 3 cents). When he got really serious and bought from the Col. Green Collection, he had a dealer provide the money. Of course, they had a relationship before that moment, but the point is that if you want to start buying and selling coins, just start. If you want to write articles, publish books, or take pictures, just start.

    Numismatics is the greatest unregulated money market in the world, and one of the greatest unregulated markets period. In the past, I have tied my interest in astronomy and aviation to it. Working in a science museum demonstrating chemistry experiments, I passed around some banknotes with Galileo, Einstein, and Copernicus. "Each one cost less than the admission to this museum."

    Numismatics - and your career in it - is whatever you want it to be.
     
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  4. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    Yes, I mentioned the ANA Summer Seminars and their Master's Program above. But, they also take their seminars on the road. The Michigan State Numismatic Society has hosted their training in grading and also in counterfeit detection.
     
  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Here is another idea. I went to my first ANA as a small time collector in my twenties. I had about $50 to spend. At the show, I saw several YN's often in groups of two's waving wads of $100 bills around and holding several coins in 2X2's. I finally asked two of them what was going on. They were taking coins from a dealer and selling them on the floor while keeping any money over an agreed sale price for themselves. When I returned to the show the next day (out of money), one had purchased a Seated Dollar for his collection. Those two YN's let me join their party and after two more days I had some nice coins too! I think this may still be going on today at shows.
     
  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Only happens in wet dreams now........
     
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  7. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Kids flashing hundreds in 1960s money... Sure beats a Leave it to Beaver paper route!
     
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  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    The reason it's hard to find a good paying job that you like is the same reason it's not so hard to find a good paying job you don't like . . . most everyone's running from the demanding jobs toward the fun ones . . .
     
  9. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Nope, but I know which one you're talking about.
     
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  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    It was 70's money at the ANA in DC. I swear it was really true. I did it for a short time after that until I got my start as a "professional" - choke, choke numismatist and had to act the part.

    That's when I got my black eye patch, parrot, and cutlass. Now, I'll pick your eye out mate and dance a jig on your chest with my wooden leg.
     
  11. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Now me I'm slowly making the route from collector to dealer I have no intentions of quitting my real work anytime soon but going to shows as a dealer has been very educational. I've learned a lot more about surfaces. What will grade and what won't. What sells and doesn't doctored coins and more. A thought for an education is to go to a few coin shows as a helper to an established dealer. You'll see a lot behind the scenes that you won't as a customer
     
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  12. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    An as to writing and researching that's not my thing actually. I love the action of buying and selling. And being able to grade on the fly. I love to read. But I'm no writer
     
  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I don't believe that for a minute. You sure do a lot of posting. Why not take up my challenge to @SuperDave and also write an opinion piece to NN or CW?

    Let us know so we can watch for it.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The amount of time it takes to learn to grade depends on three basic things, 1 -the person learning because everyone has different abilities, 2 - the amount of time and effort you expend on doing so each day, and 3 - the kind of help you get.

    So yeah I'll agree that one "can" learn how to grade in much less than 10-15 years. But by the same token I know people who have tried to learn how to do it for 30 years and still cannot. But then they didn't work at it every day, they didn't have the right help, nor did they have the natural ability that some have.

    One of the people I talked about earlier became a grader at PCGS. He related a story here on the forum that the person who was considered, by the staff at PCGS, to be the best grader at PCGS at that time was 18 years old.

    That kind of says a lot.
     
  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Take this statement to the bank!

    Furthermore, after a one week seminar, our instructor said that the best student he ever had was a 15 year old girl who came into the class with no preconceptions or formal training (she knew what an obverse and reverse were and where to find a mintmark) - applied what she was taught - and scored 100% on the final Q/A test (fairly common)and 100% on the actual coin grading coins section (never equaled at that time).

    Almost all a competent grader needs to do now in order to become a successful dealer (besides good business practices) of certified coins (authenticity) is to learn how they are priced in the current market, keep up with trends, and learn about grade rarity.
     
  16. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    He's back! That ceremony of sacrificing two goats and 4 gold buffalos worked it's magic :)
     
  17. tradernick

    tradernick Coin Hoarder

    I know a couple of people that worked at Heritage for a summer. Good way to not only learn about the business, but a chance to see some high-powered stuff. Interning at a local coin shop these days is a good lesson in grading, marketing, buying, selling, inventory management, ebay, social media, and dealing with people. But many coin dealers are reluctant to accept interns/apprentices, even when free.
    For a young person interested in looking at numismatics as a career, I'd suggest attending local shops and shows so that you can get to know several different people within the trade. Keep in contact with everyone you know and keep your ears open for any opportunity. ASK local dealers if they'd consider hiring you and what qualifications they'd require. The ANA summer courses are great and would be a huge plus in my mind when considering a new employee. Also, be willing to undergo a serious background check. Honesty and reputation are more important even than coin knowledge.
     
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