Same side coin

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What is it?

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  1. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Would a "fake" magicians coin screw his act up as it isn't the real one he was used to using?
     
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  3. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    A magician's "coin" is not a coin. Magician's coins, by definition, are fake. Sure, it can be a genuine fake - but it is not an error of any sort (as many who ask about these are hoping), and it is not made from genuine coins (as many of these often are).

    Thus, by any definition, this is a fake.
     
  4. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Well, these are called coins, not fake coins ;)
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  5. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    This coin was made from two different coins, tokens or whatever. Whether it's purpose was for dubious use or a magicians prop does not remove it from being real. Now if there were someone in the world who was casting 2 headed coins and marketing them as an original magician's coin made from two separate coins then that in itself cold be called a fake. There are collectors of the original magic coins, giving them value in the collectors market. It is obvious this coin is made from two. Just because you don't collect them doesn't make them worthless nor fake. At no time has anyone called this an error, or even suggested such, but you.
     
  6. physics-fan3.14

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    Are you even reading my posts? No, it wasn't. Compare this with authentic coins of the type. This crudely cast fake isn't even close.

    Your logic here is dubious. If someone intentionally made a 2-sided coin, even if it was an imitation of genuine coins, wouldn't that be a genuine "magicians coin"?

    There are? Can you link to some sales, a collectors organization, or some information about these? I've never heard of anyone collecting them, but I guess there's something for everyone.

    How is it "obvious"?

    I never said that. There are plenty of things that I don't collect but which have interest or value. These have little to no value because in my experience, I've never seen them sell for a premium. As before, if you can show me evidence to the contrary, I'll accept it.

    I said that this was fake because it is.
     
  7. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    A quick search of the net will give you all the evidence you need. Ebay is loaded with sold auctions. Even Heritage has many completed auctions of such.
    You show me evidence, I'll accept it.
     
  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Yes. It's fake and almost worthless. There is nothing about this thing that's real.
     
  9. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I pointed out the seam where 2 coins were put together.
    Are you even reading my post?
     
  10. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Here we go again. What's fake about it? And if it is sold at collectors auctions, for well above face value of two coins, why is it worthless?
     
  11. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I give up. It's not worth it.
     
  12. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

  13. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I hate when self proclaimed experts can only explain there point with "because I said so".
     
  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Go argue with a damn fence post. No more time for your stupid games.
     
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  15. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    That feeling is quite mutual.
     
  16. Circus

    Circus Tokens Only !! TEC#4981

    Here is a long time coin trick that any child with Around $10.00 last time I checked.
    It is called penny to dime.
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    All you need is a penny and dime.
    And 10 minutes practice,
    The gaff (gimmick) is the penny is machined to slip over The dime, There is a magnet in the block and a piece of steel in the penny. You use the real penny and dime to pass around for examination.

    Two headed coins have been around on both sides of the pond since somebody figured out how to solder. There is a company in the US that machines all kinds of coin tricks with US coins. they have two headed/sided coins in tails and heads and assorted denominations. From folding quarters to cigarette thru the coins.

    The above two sided English coin isn't a magician's coin it is called a gaffed coin.

    A magician's coin is one that is used as a pay off for the people they would bring on stage.
    Most big and small named magician's back in the day had advertising coins made they would use them in a version of the multiplying money trick. If you didn't have money enough to get your own made. You could by them from Adams magic company or others like Abbots.
    Here is my Adams silver dollar version
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    Here is a fifty cent sized that was holed a a charm.
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    Here is a guy makes $1 and quarter novelty coins.

    Here is another makers galley of what he makes.
    http://www.roykueppers.com/gallery.html
    I am from the old school and use the terms magician's coins as related to "coins used by magicians used as hand outs or pass a rounds.
     
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  17. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Do you collect these coins?
     
  18. Circus

    Circus Tokens Only !! TEC#4981

    Yes in a previous life I was a magician/ producing clown, built magic, FX and props. When I come across them I pick them up if reasonable in cost. As some of the named magician coins from the the late 1800's to early 1900's can be pricey.
     
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  19. cwtokenman

    cwtokenman Coin Hoarder

    My opinion is that it looks like a gaming counter. I've got books on the topic, but they are not user friendly (page after page of verbal description with few pictures)and it is getting late. St. George slaying the dragon is quite common on counters, but I don't recall ever seeing one with both sides being the same.

    BTW, I collect magician coins and tokens. I am not aware of any books or organizations for this area though.
     
  20. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Just a question: Are there any certified examples of same-side coins as in genuine Mint errors?
     
  21. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

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